tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post5487206768985008581..comments2024-01-05T10:11:27.498+00:00Comments on Soot and Ashes: The World AFTER the Crash: Harry Reid (finally) shows some spine, basically tells Mitch McConnell and his insurance-company-funded henchmen to go F themselvesbloggerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06585266242070350399noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-17973067443828400412010-03-15T04:24:38.231+00:002010-03-15T04:24:38.231+00:00WHAT IF THESE GOVERNMENT PEOPLE ARE WELL MEANING T...WHAT IF THESE GOVERNMENT PEOPLE ARE WELL MEANING TO THE SAME EXTENTS AS YUOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER IS WELL MEANING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND VISE A VERSAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-57697153952451306802010-03-15T04:16:56.610+00:002010-03-15T04:16:56.610+00:00IS ANYBODY7 TAKING A HARD LOOK AT THE HEALTH CARE ...IS ANYBODY7 TAKING A HARD LOOK AT THE HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY ITSELF AS A FORM OF GOOD INVESTIGATOR REPORTAGE, I WOULD BET, WOULD SHOCK THE PANTYS OFF A VIRGIN EASY AND QUICKLY...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-53254979100310939642010-03-14T17:30:52.318+00:002010-03-14T17:30:52.318+00:00Sorry Keith,
There is no way that is an incentive...Sorry Keith,<br /><br />There is no way that is an incentive, and the fact that you are taxed if you do not buy it is not an incentive. Find a better incentive than fuckinmg with taxes , ding ding ding, get he governement out of the fucking way.Angry Leprechaunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-80831506041377728332010-03-14T16:54:00.683+00:002010-03-14T16:54:00.683+00:00Single Payer Universal Coverage.
It should be a b...Single Payer Universal Coverage.<br /><br />It should be a binding moratorium. Let the taxpayers vote on it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-90795767392900748942010-03-14T11:01:28.699+00:002010-03-14T11:01:28.699+00:00Angry - you don't get arrested if you don'...Angry - you don't get arrested if you don't buy insurance. The government isn't forcing you to do anything.<br /><br />Like buying a house or having a baby - the government doesn't 'force' you to do it, but if you do you pay lower taxes<br /><br />Comprendo, si amigo?bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06585266242070350399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-78442026056166091992010-03-14T03:29:16.859+00:002010-03-14T03:29:16.859+00:00Keith
Hold on! First you said, "the governm...Keith <br /><br />Hold on! First you said, "the government won't be 'forcing' anyone to buy insurance. but they'll be incentivizing people to do that" Hugh?<br /><br />And second you said,"the BIG problem with this as you correctly state is that without a public option, this is a big wet kiss to the private insurance companies." I never said I agree with a public option. We are obviously going in circles. <br /><br />The bottom line is I do not want the government to and its corruption to be helping supply competition to anything.Angry Leprechuannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-8515232445821347142010-03-13T16:11:06.024+00:002010-03-13T16:11:06.024+00:00This HCR is not perfect, but it is a start in the ...This HCR is not perfect, but it is a start in the right direction. There are VERY FEW systems that should lean 'social'. We already have a social education (K-12) system and parts of old age care (medicare, social security, etc). And, these are very good things (not perfect.) Health care is an area where we truly need government protection - I would rather have a bureaucrat looking over my health care than a for profit company with quarterly results on their minds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-45857670077945442562010-03-13T08:27:00.481+00:002010-03-13T08:27:00.481+00:00Denninger on buying into medicare:
http://market-...Denninger on buying into medicare:<br /><br />http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/2075-Alan-Grayson-Tossed-Out-A-Hardball.htmlbloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06585266242070350399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-35667658869579416192010-03-13T07:46:17.772+00:002010-03-13T07:46:17.772+00:00Keefer,
I'd agree with you on having a catast...Keefer,<br /><br />I'd agree with you on having a catastrophic insurance option and offering a non-profit public option.<br /><br />The other thing we need to to break the monopoly of the AMA setting the number of doctors who are minted each year. Let supply and demand set the number and don't have a monopoly body cap it.<br /><br />And allow for the creation of the low cost clinics for minor ailments like a cold or flu.<br /><br />Unfortunately the fix offered doesn't address the major problems. Therefore it's better to re-write it than try and compromise and vote on this leglisative pile of garbage.<br /><br />No vote for this and vote out all the incumbents.<br /><br />-MikeMike Huntnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-17268244023989660792010-03-13T03:12:00.871+00:002010-03-13T03:12:00.871+00:00First of all, Keith, do Poms really say "chee...First of all, Keith, do Poms really say "cheerio" any more? None of the Brits I worked with ever uttered the word. I thought that was like "G'day" was in Australia -- yesterday's slang that's as outmoded as "groovy" is in the U.S. now.<br /><br />Secondly, I agree 100% with your prescription for a public option to compete with private insurance. It would set a floor under health insurance costs to keep the bastards at the corpos honest, and prevent poor people from dying of preventable sickness like they were living in some Third World dirthole.<br /><br />In Australia, they had all sorts of medical clinics where you could rock up and see an MD for a reasonable fee that you paid out of your own pocket. If you wanted to go to a fancy one, where you had your own doctor instead of getting the next one who had a slot free at a walk-in clinic, then you'd pay more. If you were a "battler" (Aussie slang for "working poor") you could go to one who did "bulk billing" (i.e. got only the low rate that the government paid him or her. Not the greatest doctors, not as good service, but sick poor people still could get medical care.) The system WORKED, and it was much like you recommended.<br /><br />Taking it further, I think there should be "public options" in lots of things, to keep corporations honest. Like gasoline stations. Have the federal government run some no-frills operations, managed by low-paid bureaucrats. Then you'd know you were getting an honest price, not something that was jacked up by market-manipulating corporations who had to gouge in order to pay for the executive Learjets and CEO's $10.6 million salary.<br /><br />It would set a price floor so people would know they were getting a fair deal. The government stations wouldn't be selling soda or offering car washes or "double airline miles" deals with purchases -- just selling straight petrol. For cash only. No point cutting the credit card bandits in on the action. The government could even set the prices so that the stations would make a PROFIT, which would reduce the overall amount of taxes the government would need to collect.<br /><br />Similar things are already happening in the U.S. Several state governments run their own liquor store chains. North Dakota has its own bank run by the state government. That's where all the state tax payments go, and the government bank offers things like student loans at rates that beat greedy commercial banks. The state bank is one reason why North Dakota's budget isn't in the same <br />trouble as so many other states.<br /><br />For any "free market" fanatic still reading this thread an screaming "unfair socialism!", you mean to say your vaunted private enterprise couldn't compete with the government? Private enterprise couldn't say "We'll have the quickest service, cleanest bathrooms, best locations for the stations" whatever? If corpos can't beat the government, they deserve to die.<br /><br />Speaking of dying, I commend <a rel="nofollow">Charles</a> for being honest enough to say what most Glibertarians won't admit. He thinks it's just fine if Americans get sick and die from sicknesses they could be cured of. They have the "liberty" to die if they're poor or they were too pig-headed to buy health insurance.<br /><br />You call it "liberty" if 10% of the nation (that's 30+ million people) drops dead because they're uninsured, or 3% (that's 10 million people) die from starvation, eh <a rel="nofollow">Charles</a>? Stalin labeled unwanted people as "enemies of the state" when he was letting the Ukrainian kulaks starve during his deliberate famines, <a rel="nofollow">Charles</a>. What do you call the Americans who you'd glibly dispatch in the name of "liberty" -- perhaps "parasites of the state"?<br /><br />With an American-hating philosophy like yours, I can see why your keep your Blogger profile hidden, mate.Bukko Boomerangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02424677168216647964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-42419321091294972482010-03-13T03:10:36.283+00:002010-03-13T03:10:36.283+00:00Keefer, you gotta admit that Reid is THE un-cooles...Keefer, you gotta admit that Reid is THE un-coolest guy to walk the earth in 100 years.<br />But he does deserve credit for his strict daily push-up regimen.<br /><br />The most fun he ever had was that time when he ate a Tuna salad sandwich on Rye instead of Whole-wheat ……..what a rebel.<br /><br />Look folks if you don’t want to pay for your doctors Mercedes and McMansion on the river, <br />Then?<br />*<br />*<br />*<br />Only competition can lower the cost and create incentive for advancing our understanding of the body.<br /><br />Randy's rantRandynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-64836209836950385592010-03-13T02:26:59.990+00:002010-03-13T02:26:59.990+00:00Their is no legislating of Utopia. people need to ...<i> Their is no legislating of Utopia. people need to pull head out of ass and nderstand this before we truly do slide into some Orwellian nightmare. It wouldn't happen overnight, but these things rarely do.</i> (sic)<br /><br />Ah, Chicken Little raises his voice. Here's a thought: go back to watching Glenn Beck, and twisting and clenching your fists in fear and anxiety at the thought of the Great Big Bad Gummint coming to emasculate you by taking your guns away. For some reason, it seems to make you freaks happy to imagine doom & gloom scenarios; if we check in your shitter, will we find a tattered copy of "Left Behind" on the toilet tank? <br /><br />What you dismiss as "dictatorships" are, in actuality - not. There is no central control of anything in Somalia. Dictators, by definition <i>dictate.</i> As in rule. As in, someone's in charge. <br /><br />Somalia, Liberia, these other hellholes - nobody is in charge. It's Hobbes' Leviathan. Go ahead. Check it out on Wikipedia. <br /><br />The point is, this is what the logical extension of your theories leads to. You don't want to pay taxes. But you want to enjoy the benefits of a free and safe society. You reconcile these conflicting desires by relying on the canard that government is inefficient, and misappropriates resources to the lazy and the unfit (more on this in a bit). <br /><br />I won't attempt to argue from the point of view of making the correct, moral, humanitarian choice. Experience has taught me that that does not work, because libertarians really don't give a shit about anything or anyone else.<br /><br />So here's something even an utter clinical narcissist can appreciate. From a purely utilitarian point of view: providing a minimum of catastrophic health insurance to all citizens of the U.S. will at least keep desperate people (many of whom used to be in the middle class, at least until the Reaganomics hollowing out of our economy via repeated tax cuts for the ultra-rich began to bear its long-term fruit) out of hospital emergency rooms. <br /><br />Those same emergency rooms that will, some day, be used by you or some member of your family. A small amount of money spent on caring for a person at a critical juncture in their lives can keep them healthy enough to return to the work force, rather than becoming a net drain on the system. If you doubt the efficacy of such measures, I encourage you to look up and study the history of Kaiser health care. I assure you, big business did not start providing health care to its workers out of any sense of moral obligation. It was because doing so decreased the number of sick days and increased productivity. <br /><br />I doubt that any sort of logic, however, will change your mind. Your frequent misspellings and tortured syntax betray your intellectual and educational level. <br /><br />Your listing of the necessity of writing off 3 or 10 or any percentage "for the greater good" ... I wonder what color the faces are of the people you so blithely condemn as "excess population." <br /><br />You are Orval Faubus, with a slightly different rap, Chuckles.Prisoner No. 6noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-12441085641903780172010-03-13T01:40:48.160+00:002010-03-13T01:40:48.160+00:00Wouldn't it be nice to make your links clickab...Wouldn't it be nice to <a href="http://i39.tinypic.com/11uyihg.jpg" rel="nofollow">make your links clickable?</a><br /><br />You just know nobody looks at that shit(who's not a masochist.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-56309501583642093022010-03-13T01:03:32.513+00:002010-03-13T01:03:32.513+00:00Deadbeat realtors are pathetic. You know that idio...Deadbeat realtors are pathetic. You know that idiot who hoaxed the Prius incident in San Diego? Yup - a realtor<br /><br />http://www.pattyandjimsikes.com/<br /><br />http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/12/toyota-autos-hoax-media-opinions-contributors-michael-fumento.html?boxes=financechannelforbesVectorzSigmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07301420920709667827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-91304829768581172522010-03-13T00:14:47.743+00:002010-03-13T00:14:47.743+00:00Very Angry Lep - this post was about Reid brassing...Very Angry Lep - this post was about Reid brassing up and calling McConnell out for being a hypocrite when it comes to using reconciliation<br /><br />Then it morphed into healthcare<br /><br />We can debate health insurance, and how we address the problem of the federal budget and family budgets being consumed by health care expenses, and the corruption of congress and the influence of insurance companies, but first and foremost, can we agree that the GOP leaders are hypocrites when it comes to reconciliation?<br /><br />Now, assuming we agree on that, the government won't be 'forcing' anyone to buy insurance. but they'll be incentivizing people to do that, for the overall benefit of not only the taxpayers (due to the expanded base) but to the individual as well (who will now have access to healthcare)<br /><br />the BIG problem with this as you correctly state is that without a public option, this is a big wet kiss to the private insurance companies. and there you have the root of the problem<br /><br />but the corrupt dems and the corrupt reps are combining to make sure a public non-profit option doesn't come about.<br /><br />And that's one more reason to vote every incumbent out of office in 2010 and 2012.<br /><br />cheriobloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06585266242070350399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-29803966642791249092010-03-12T22:59:46.327+00:002010-03-12T22:59:46.327+00:00Ok, you read the article right, can you tell what ...Ok, you read the article right, can you tell what you learned from it?<br /><br />Dont make me call you a fucking idiot and don't put me in a position where I have to defend the damn Repubtards to make my point. <br /><br />Your car insurance analogy is all wrong as well. The car insurance you are obligated to purchase is to protect everyone elses property and life should you cause an accident. <br /><br />Let us apply this to healthcare now. If the auto insurance companies were to lobby to Washington for reform what do you think they would ask. They would ask that all insurance including insurance to cover your own property and ass needs to be purchased by every American. Why would they do this? To line their own pockets. This is exactly how the cards ore being played on health care and the Dems are the enabler. You are too hateful torwards the repubs, rightfully so, to see the truth abpout the Denms. Congrats you are now a lemming.<br /><br />How does this sound familiar. The health insurance companies are pushing for this because they know they are going to get more money. This asshole Reid you defending, is bought and paid for so his buddies can get more money. I think the Repubs are bought and paid for as well, and they are putting on a good show so the rest of the public argues this like a bunch of lemmigs Keith.<br /><br />I am not arguing that some of your ideas on health care are not good. What I am saying is you are defending Reid who is defending a bill that has no parallels to your line of thinking on the issue. <br /> <br />Time to wake up, and realize that the repubs mught not be the ones bought and paid for here.Angry Leprechaunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-66935116320866159652010-03-12T22:37:10.313+00:002010-03-12T22:37:10.313+00:00High deductible health plans with HSA's and a ...High deductible health plans with HSA's and a separate hands off account for the deductible.<br /><br />If you don't gots one, then you don't gets no earned income creditses, welfares, grants, food coupons, etc.<br /><br />Seriously, this shit has got to stop. Same with corps, no more bailouts or monies. <br /><br />Think about this - 50% of the population is currently working to support 100% of the population. <br /><br />Of those 50% that are actually working, less than 50% of those employed by the private sector. <br /><br />So, what this means is that less than 25% of the population supports the remaining more than 75% of the population , i.e., the 25% in the private sector works to make money to pay for the other 50% not working as well as the salaries of the more than 50% of workers working in government. <br /><br />This shit has to stop.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-90452983687528022292010-03-12T22:16:15.964+00:002010-03-12T22:16:15.964+00:00Reduce the deficit how?
Benefit WHAT middle-class...Reduce the deficit how?<br /><br />Benefit WHAT middle-class?<br /><br />Give me the answers to those questions, and I will consider the remarks relevant!<br /><br />'Ole Harry just wants to be remembered for something before he gets voted out this fall.Agent #777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-7322933360094410102010-03-12T22:00:28.581+00:002010-03-12T22:00:28.581+00:00Finally, a sane voice
Got a cold? Kid got the fl...Finally, a sane voice<br /><br />Got a cold? Kid got the flu? Then go to Walgreens' nurse, get your $10 out of your pocket, and go home.<br /><br />No more corporate health insurance plans paying $250 to a doctor to ask you to stick out your tongue and look in your ears.<br /><br />Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.<br /><br />Once people start paying for healthcare out of their pocket, things will change.bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06585266242070350399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-23079290005495985032010-03-12T21:54:14.186+00:002010-03-12T21:54:14.186+00:00Blaming the insurance companies for this mess is a...Blaming the insurance companies for this mess is as stupid as blaming Medicare. <br /><br />These people want me to pay for their overpriced health care. If you want me to pay for your health care, you can go somewhere cheap. Forget this $180 every time you have a runny nose. It should cost less than getting the oil changed in the car.<br /><br />I'd rather give everyone that needs money $2500 in a health savings account and a catastrophic care plan that includes a death panel.<br /><br />Until the consumer feels the prices directly, they will never come down.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-67901514745549417332010-03-12T21:24:25.284+00:002010-03-12T21:24:25.284+00:00Lep, read the article
I agree with Reid that the ...Lep, read the article<br /><br />I agree with Reid that the GOP is being hypocritical when it comes to reconciliation and also the fillibuster. They're a joke, and it's plain to see.<br /><br />when it comes to healthcare, I don't see it as a "right". I see catastrophic health insurance as something everyone who can afford it must have, for the benefit of society. That's very different.<br /><br />Similar to auto insurance. Anyone who wants to drive must have it. If you don't, you should be penalized. With health insurance, you should be encouraged to buy it, and if you don't then you should pay a higher tax to have it. No more freeloading.<br /><br />but that's why there needs to be a public insurance option too, to true up the for-profit companies.bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06585266242070350399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-27127603161241075412010-03-12T20:55:42.180+00:002010-03-12T20:55:42.180+00:00Keith,
Read the damn article I provided. You sai...Keith, <br /><br />Read the damn article I provided. You said wich started this post that you agree with Harry. I am simply pointing out why you should not.Angry Leprechaunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-76374466262585613972010-03-12T20:49:40.057+00:002010-03-12T20:49:40.057+00:00Angry Lep, arguing who is corrupt - the dems or th...Angry Lep, arguing who is corrupt - the dems or the reps - is a moot point<br /><br />our congress is bought and paid for. you name the group. trial lawyers, insurance companies, the reic, the military industrial complex, the cigarette companies, should i go on?<br /><br />that said, I think it's pretty evident that the GOP is more corrupted by corporate interests than the Dems. Not that it matters much.<br /><br />the solution? vote ALL incumbents out in 2010. And then do it again in 2012. And again in 2014. And again in 2016. And again in 2018...<br /><br />No exceptions.<br /><br />None.bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06585266242070350399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-36200603186296367842010-03-12T20:46:22.620+00:002010-03-12T20:46:22.620+00:00"And don't forget, almost all of you are ..."And don't forget, almost all of you are buying insurance today. You think it's "employer provided" but it's not. It's being bought by you, in the form of reduced wages, and purchased by your middleman, your employer."<br /><br />And my wages are going to be further reduced when fucking idiots like Obama decide how I or my employer spend the hard earned fucking money.Angry Leprechaunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-11753653533598762472010-03-12T20:42:59.331+00:002010-03-12T20:42:59.331+00:00I don't complain that I have to buy car insura...I don't complain that I have to buy car insurance. I complain that so many people do not. Why would i purchase something that cost so much money and not have insurance for it.<br /><br />BTW Bukko you nailed it in your first post. These healthcare bills have been written by the insurance companies. They want to be paid for flu, abortion, cough, heart attack, prostate cancer as if you recieved treatment for every possible medical condition known to man every year. The insurance companies are going to make a killing on this.Angry Leprechaunnoreply@blogger.com