tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post8033700091961542667..comments2024-01-05T10:11:27.498+00:00Comments on Soot and Ashes: The World AFTER the Crash: I know the tobacco lobby has bribed our congress, but wouldn't it be nice if the people demanded a change?bloggerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06585266242070350399noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-31611874591256195892009-01-15T20:01:00.000+00:002009-01-15T20:01:00.000+00:00"WOW it was easy to find a debunking article from ..."WOW it was easy to find a debunking article from a RESPECTED science journal (rather than some random conspiracy-theorist net posting). It was, like, the FIRST article under a google search for "sugar in tobacco"..."<BR/><BR/>Some people will believe anything I suppose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-43629553358520719742009-01-15T19:45:00.000+00:002009-01-15T19:45:00.000+00:00"If you ask me, I will vote for the government to ..."If you ask me, I will vote for the government to get out of my life.<BR/><BR/>The government has no business in providing health care for everyone, it is therefore has no business in deciding if a person can smoke or not."<BR/><BR/>Precisely!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-26579161828350123022009-01-15T18:29:00.000+00:002009-01-15T18:29:00.000+00:00If you ask me, I will vote for the government to g...If you ask me, I will vote for the government to get out of my life. <BR/><BR/>The government has no business in providing health care for everyone, it is therefore has no business in deciding if a person can smoke or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-36683629429273689742009-01-15T17:54:00.000+00:002009-01-15T17:54:00.000+00:00From The Lacet:Sugar in Tobacco: Theory and Fact"...From The Lacet:<BR/><BR/>Sugar in Tobacco: Theory and Fact<BR/><BR/>"... in view of the lack of a clear indication from inhalation stuides ... there is <B>no basis</B> for the United Kingdom Government to recommend those who must smoke to choose cigarettes made from air-cured tobacco with low-sugar content in preference to cigarettes made from flue-cured tobacco."<BR/><BR/>WOW it was easy to find a debunking article from a RESPECTED science journal (rather than some random conspiracy-theorist net posting). It was, like, the FIRST article under a google search for "sugar in tobacco"...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-31572647202984386602009-01-15T16:00:00.000+00:002009-01-15T16:00:00.000+00:00"References? References NOT from Marboro?""Murder ..."References? References NOT from Marboro?"<BR/><BR/>"Murder By Injection" by Eustace Mullins http://www.scribd.com/doc/3920620/Eustace-Mullins-Murder-by-Injection<BR/><BR/>Also, did Columbus comment on all the lung cancer sufferers he discovered when observing the Native Americans?<BR/><BR/>Lung cancer became prominent when sugar was added to the drying process of tobacco.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-91464985777531267872009-01-15T08:15:00.000+00:002009-01-15T08:15:00.000+00:00Wow Keith, your blog sure is read by a lot of peop...Wow Keith, your blog sure is read by a lot of people who hate people.<BR/><BR/>I work on a respiratory ward. I see people dying slowly from cigarette smoking. It's not pretty. Lung cancer is actually one of the easier ways to go, because it doesn't last for as many years as emphysema. Now THAT -- patients spend years gasping like beached fish, able to walk less and less, until they're essentially confined to a lounge chair in their living room with an oxygen cylinder beside them.<BR/><BR/>It's too bad that some of you haters can't get a job working as door bitches at the casualty department, or riding shotgun on the ambulance. YOU could be the ones that tell the sick people "I'm not letting you in! You smoke -- you just lay there and die!" A lot of you would like that, eh? The chance to look someone in the eye and say "I don't like your bad habit. You made a bad choice. So die, motherfucker."<BR/><BR/>The catch is, you'd have to be the one to take the beatings from their enraged relatives who don't like seeing Mom or brother coughing and wheezing to death because some heartless bastard turned them away.<BR/><BR/>Australia is one of the countries with those hideous warning labels. They have graphic ads in magazines and on TV that even make me look away. (There's a reason I didn't go into surgical nursing...) Cigarette taxes are high, and smoking is banned in most indoor places. The government here is willing to do its bit to curb smoking, because the socialised medicine makes government bear the cost.<BR/><BR/>But even in socialist Australia, there's the flip side of legalised bribery by the ciggy bigs. So they don't go completely banning it. And young people still want to be all cool and rebellious and self-destructive, so they take it up early and don't want to quit until it's too late. Thus does the cycle go on, even in a society that ostensibly wants to make it stop.<BR/><BR/>But seriously, all you sour bastards that chuckle at people dying from smoking -- do you actually live amongst other people? Or do you just stay in your basement and write blog comments? Have you ever watched someone die in front of you? I recommend volunteering to work at a hospital, or better yet, a hospice for the dying. (Yeah, I know, doing work for free violates your moral code.) It might give you some humanity. (I know, you don"t WANT that. It's too soft and gay...)Bukko Boomerangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02424677168216647964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-49944685856514596982009-01-15T01:12:00.000+00:002009-01-15T01:12:00.000+00:00"And guns kill people too." Guns kill a minuscule..."And guns kill people too." <BR/><BR/>Guns kill a minuscule portion of their users on a per use basis.jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02523525193865747028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-8790425355586466852009-01-15T01:05:00.000+00:002009-01-15T01:05:00.000+00:00"Countries who use tobacco that is grown naturally..."Countries who use tobacco that is grown naturally and air-dried suffer no "tobacco" related illnesses."<BR/><BR/><BR/>References? References NOT from Marboro?jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02523525193865747028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-10380002699165617492009-01-14T22:19:00.000+00:002009-01-14T22:19:00.000+00:00> Tobacco also kills innocent bystanders-- lots...> Tobacco also kills innocent bystanders-- lots of them-- also at an astonishing rate.<BR/><BR/>Even after being band from public facilities. Now that's just mindless spin. Propaganda that evokes injustice and fear is the most potent type.<BR/><BR/>> Smokers deaths are not necessarily less expensive to treat just because they die younger.<BR/><BR/>And they're not necessarily more expensive.<BR/><BR/>> Cigarettes are a dangerous product that would never be allowed to come to market by today's standards.<BR/><BR/>And I'd bet money that you'd want pot brought to market even though it's been proven to be more than 10X more damaging to health that tobacco.<BR/><BR/>I hope you're not a porker who doesn't exercise, or you're a self rightous fool. And by the way, who knew there was so much anti-smoking passion amongst bubble blog readers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-9819692909258812172009-01-14T22:04:00.001+00:002009-01-14T22:04:00.001+00:00There is a big benefit to smoking - it greatly red...There is a big benefit to smoking - it greatly reduces the rates of alzheimers - and I'm not talking about reducing the rates by killing people first.<BR/><BR/>80 year old smokers have much lower rates of alzheimers than 80 year old nonsmokers.<BR/><BR/>I plan to start smoking at somewhere between 60 and 70. I'd rather die of cancer than alzheimers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-19963395058885687802009-01-14T22:04:00.000+00:002009-01-14T22:04:00.000+00:00The taxes paid on thirty years of cigarettes proba...The taxes paid on thirty years of cigarettes probably dwarfs the medical expenses. And doesn't everyone get sick and die eventually?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-68682260071640751842009-01-14T21:59:00.000+00:002009-01-14T21:59:00.000+00:00And while you're at it, Keith, be sure to kill off...And while you're at it, Keith, be sure to kill off all the elderly and people with disabilities. Afterall, they cost the system just as much or more than smokers do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-37354968884680549362009-01-14T21:28:00.000+00:002009-01-14T21:28:00.000+00:00There is so much misinformation in these responses...There is so much misinformation in these responses it is staggering. The tobacco industry's spin machine is obviously doing a very good job.<BR/><BR/>1. Tobacco kills 1/3 of the people who use it-- when used as directed. Name a single other legal product with that kill rate. If they invented cigarettes for the first time tomorrow, they would never make it to store shelves.<BR/><BR/>2. Tobacco also kills innocent bystanders-- lots of them-- also at an astonishing rate. Also a no-no for any newly introduced products that wish to make it to the mass market. <BR/><BR/>3. Like any "right"-- someone's right to smoke or allow smoking ends when it interferes with another's right to not inhale a toxic fume. (Your right to swing your fist or cigarette ends where my nose begins.)<BR/><BR/>4. Knowing that cigarettes are deadly does not prevent 12 to 14-year-olds (age most smokers start) from starting. And then getting addicted. Addiction eliminates the argument of choice. Studies have shown the younger you get addicted, the "harder" you get addicted.<BR/><BR/>5. Smokers deaths are not necessarily less expensive to treat just because they die "younger." They could live with emphysema for decades and ring up quite a tab. Also, if you check, cancer, heart disease and stroke have quite a large price tag attached to them before death arrives.<BR/><BR/>6. Nanny state? If we were talking about a non-addictive product that legal adults choose to use, yes, good answer. As it stands, see #4 above.<BR/><BR/>7. Related to #6 above and Keith's original article: Did you know that of all the warning labels that exist in the US, only one was voted down into non-existance by Congress (after heavy lobbying from you-know-who). What did THAT banned warning label say? Cigarettes are addictive. Which label do you think might give the average 14 year old pause: Pregnant women, lung cancer, emphysema, heart disease? Or maybe the only one that has IMMEDIATE possible consequences: ADDICTION. Oh yeah, that one got voted down. Surprise.<BR/><BR/>8. Alcohol: Doesn't have nearly the addiction and/or kill rate that tobacco does.<BR/><BR/>Cigarettes are a dangerous product that would never be allowed to come to market by today's standards. The tobacco industry is so full of liars, they absolutely deserve to be sued into bankruptcy. They have been morally bankrupt for decades.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-1377804983934591302009-01-14T21:05:00.000+00:002009-01-14T21:05:00.000+00:00And at least alcohol in small amounts has medical ...<I> And at least alcohol in small amounts has medical evidence it CAN enhance health. A Ford will at least get you to work. </I><BR/><BR/>Alcohol makes you feel good and react slowly, the government wants you to have it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-63036160515283948602009-01-14T20:24:00.000+00:002009-01-14T20:24:00.000+00:00What about fat people. Nothing worse than seeing a...What about fat people. Nothing worse than seeing a blob sticking a piece of pizza of chocolate sunday in their face.<BR/><BR/>Govmt better jump thier shit too.<BR/><BR/>So if you're a fatso critizing smokers look in the mirror. If you're a Mary Jane smoker, look in the mirror. If you don't exercise at least a few times a week (and this could just be a half hour walk) well... you know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-89332435233983778482009-01-14T20:12:00.000+00:002009-01-14T20:12:00.000+00:00Thanks for the pictures, Keith, the lasagna I am b...Thanks for the pictures, Keith, the lasagna I am baking looks hauntingly similar to that guy's neck.<BR/><BR/>Anton ChigurhAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-26767346674527074522009-01-14T20:09:00.000+00:002009-01-14T20:09:00.000+00:00I wish people would bother to read my posts before...I wish people would bother to read my posts before they comment.<BR/><BR/>I believe everyone has a right to kill themselves with cigarettes or drugs. Go ahead - kill yourself. It's your call.<BR/><BR/>But I believe it's the FDA and CDC's responsibility to accurately communicate that if you smoke you will die early and awfully. Like other warning labels on poisons. <BR/><BR/>Government serves a purpose, it's not all evil. Without government you have anarchy. I want government to warn me about defective products. I want government to build roads and bridges, and provide for police and fire protection.<BR/><BR/>But government has failed America in the case of tobacco, because they were bribed to look the other way.bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06585266242070350399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-27902095046355479312009-01-14T20:05:00.000+00:002009-01-14T20:05:00.000+00:00I agree 100% about the healthcare coverage, ever s...I agree 100% about the healthcare coverage, ever since they announced that obesity was a "disease" covered by medicare, and it reminded me that smoking and all it's diseases (smoking's mentioned at the top of the risk factor list for SO MANY really BAD, incurable or hardly-curable diseases), what I realized is that there is a MASSIVE TAX on me simply for BEING HEALTHY.<BR/><BR/>Call it a "FITNESS TAX".<BR/><BR/>I think EVERYONE born after a certain "year of tobacco enlightenment", like 1964, who can be observed to be a smoker after a certain date, should be DISALLOWED from a HOST of medical coverage. Reason: PREEXISTING STUPIDITY.<BR/><BR/>(If you're 70 now, I realize you started back when "cigarettes were healthful". If you've already quit or before some REAL "great American smoke-out" date, then maybe we'd be willing to foot the bill, since some of you are our family members.)<BR/><BR/>It should not be hard to track who the smokers are--track the store purchases just like auto and gun and even fertilizer and pseudophedrine purchases are tracked now. And, publish a reward-based whistle-blowers 800 number just like the IRS does, with an email address to send videos. Just hang around the entrance to your workplace and get cash for saving yourselves medicare tax dollars! Heck--let the IRS itself take these calls!<BR/><BR/>We might even get people into trying to so carefully hide their habit and the smoke it gives off, that they'll decide its easier to quit, and also maybe second-hand smoke will go into hiding too!<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, tobacco taxes should be raised EVERY YEAR, by DOUBLE the rate of increase of national health care costs. AUTOMATICALLY.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, my city has banned indoor public smoking and MAN, IS IT GREAT! You can step into a pub for a burger or a drink or a game of pool or a poker tournament and when you come out, your eyes aren't red, your throat isn't sore and about to catch cold, and your clothes and hair aren't so stenched up you have to use hazmat procedures when you get home. AND, the pub OWNERS are HAPPIER because, by their own admission, they have found that MORE people are out in DROVES to the pubs now!<BR/><BR/>"Tobacco isn't bad for you." LOL good luck with THAT argument, stupid fool. I guess that's why U.S. tobacco companies would rather go out of business than change their product so it doesn't KILL people. Right.<BR/><BR/>Non-smokers in my family: Dad is 80 and still doing home carpentry repairs. His dad lived to 94, lived well till near the end.<BR/><BR/>Smokers in my family: Mom died of a stroke at 72 one Thanksgiving weekend with the contents of her digestive system displayed out on the couch, after suffering myriad health issues for 10 years. Her mom died in her 40's. Her dad died in his early 60's, heart attack. Her brother also died of a heart attack, sitting on the toilet.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, there's an EASY 12-week treatment that has a 40+% success rate past one year. And 1000 other methods if THAT one doesn't take.<BR/><BR/>HAVE FUN "maintaining your right to smoke", IDIOT SMOKERS!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-88505071842870032952009-01-14T20:04:00.001+00:002009-01-14T20:04:00.001+00:00I'm afraid to outlive my savings.I might have to t...I'm afraid to outlive my savings.I might have to take a job flppijng burgers to keep the lights on.People smoking is the least of my problems.I don't care what they do, just don't blow smoke in my face.I don't want to breath smoke either.Not a very good choice to smoke.These must be the same people flipping condos in vegas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-3381245927241681712009-01-14T20:04:00.000+00:002009-01-14T20:04:00.000+00:00My father used to say, (you'll go blind if you jer...My father used to say, (you'll go blind if you jerk off too much) So far so good!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-50096843187312988612009-01-14T19:33:00.000+00:002009-01-14T19:33:00.000+00:00keith said... So we as a society have to pick u...keith said...<BR/><BR/> So we as a society have to pick up the healthcare costs of smokers, yet they die earlier so we don't have to pay their retirement or the healthcare costs for when they should have still be alive.<BR/><BR/> Hmmm...<BR/><BR/> Someone do the math - is society better off having smokers smoke, get sick and die early, or having them quit, stay healthy and live long?<BR/>-------------------------<BR/><BR/>Drunks: Kill themselves and others on the roads by the thousands. Liver damage, cancer, brain damage.<BR/><BR/>If you want a mama govt. shouldn't you tackle all things that are bad and self destructive? Outlaw EVERYTHING that is self destructive or forget about it. <BR/><BR/>Are you proposing that the same govt that is stealing our pensions and our savings be allowed to legislate what is good for our health???<BR/><BR/>Too funny.ApleAneehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08955040755611777565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-60294824114702089722009-01-14T19:30:00.000+00:002009-01-14T19:30:00.000+00:00At least guns COULD be used in self defense. (Tho ...At least guns COULD be used in self defense. (Tho I believe the risk of having a gun is higher than the benefit). And at least alcohol in small amounts has medical evidence it CAN enhance health. A Ford will at least get you to work. <BR/><BR/>BUT there is no benefit, not one what-so-ever in smoking.<BR/><BR/>Corporations that sell and market cigs should be banned outright. Still want to smoke? Fine. Grow your own, roll your own. <BR/><BR/>We don't bleed ourselves with leaches anymore, and we have laws that don't allow spitting in public.<BR/><BR/>SO WE SHOULDN'T ALLOW MASS KILLING BY WHOLESALE COMMERICAL SALES OF CIGS.<BR/><BR/>It's the 21st century for cying out loud. Poster's get over your big nanny gov't, paranoid, cry baby, moronic ideology.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-1730287775128795292009-01-14T19:17:00.000+00:002009-01-14T19:17:00.000+00:00So we as a society have to pick up the healthcare ...<I>So we as a society have to pick up the healthcare costs of smokers, yet they die earlier so we don't have to pay their retirement or the healthcare costs for when they should have still be alive.</I><BR/><BR/>Baloney. Everyone should know that more than 40% of health care costs derive from FRAUD. We have every low life in this country milking the system, from Cubans doing rampant Medicaid fraud in Florida to Mexicans doing car insurance fraud in California.<BR/><BR/>Crack down on those low-life parasites, with stiff sentences and tougher immigration laws and you get health care costs to sane levels. Moreover, states tax smokers to death (no pun intended) but politicians and their cronies steal all the money, as usual.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and BTW, your hero Messiah smokes like a chimney.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-62793400757629662222009-01-14T19:03:00.000+00:002009-01-14T19:03:00.000+00:00Maybe the smoking ads are more brutal overseas bec...Maybe the smoking ads are more brutal overseas because they need to be. When I travel, it seems to me that the rest of the world has a much bigger smoking problem than the US.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6568749253826790814.post-26034733580431446302009-01-14T18:40:00.000+00:002009-01-14T18:40:00.000+00:00I wouldn't be so sure about all the bloviating Kei...I wouldn't be so sure about all the bloviating Keith.<BR/><BR/>First of all, they're almost taxed out of existance (and that tax falls mostly on the poor). Secondly NY and CA have mandated they be re-engineered with additional chemicals to be nearly unsmokable.<BR/><BR/>I smoke but keep reasonable (half pack a day), which is not perfectly safe but my choice. I get mine imported from a relative in North Carolina, to get a resonable price, not have them laden with chemicals and so that I will give my own state Zero tax revenue from the sale.<BR/><BR/>Oh My! Is my post politically incorrect. Are you group think zombies offended by it??? Well that's my intention.<BR/><BR/>You mind controlled zombies who are anti-tobacco but pro- Mary JO wana. I'm pro both, but choose to partake of one, within reasonable bounds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com