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This is a combination of denial and total stupidity:
Nov. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal plans to increase his stake in Citigroup Inc. to 5 percent after the U.S. bank lost almost a quarter of its value yesterday.
``Prince Alwaleed began buying Citi shares, as he strongly believes that they are dramatically undervalued,'' he said today in a statement.
Why not? Local goverments have been doing it for years. I know the state of Maryland has had many programs with zero percent loans for low-income borrowers for mortgages and closing costs, home improvement, etc. A lot of those loans were not only zero percent, but were eventually completely forgiven. So what the hell - who needs payback?
Never thought I would see $40.00 oil again either, but the China Oil People say that is the next drop. FMW
Oil groups expect $40 barrel – CNOOC head By Alan Beattie in Barcelona
Published: November 18 2008 20:35 | Last updated: November 18 2008 20:35
The world’s national oil companies expect oil prices to fall further and will cancel most planned investment projects even at current levels, according to the head of a Chinese state-owned group.
A recent meeting of the national oil companies in Beijing had predicted oil prices would fall to about $40 a barrel, Fu Chengyu, chief executive of China National Offshore Oil Corporation, told a conference in Barcelona.
"How can we protect capital and/or profit with this upon us?" ----------------- I think we need to pay more attention to how we will protect ourselves, rather than our capital.
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Look at this Mish post, titled "Now Presenting: Defaltion!", by Mish:
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2008/03/now-presenting-deflation.html
It's from March! Anyone who doesn't have Mish on their rss readers can not be taken seriously when trying to "predict" the future of the economy.
Is Bernanke an expert ON the Depression or an expert is CAUSING The New Depression.
0% absolutely the WRONG thing at the WRONG time to do.
Mark my words, interest rates to the moon 10-12%, soon.
1-20-09 The END of an ERROR
DIE
Monetizing debt has been the way of the declining empire since the beginning of recorded time.
No suprises here.
Prepare accordingly.
Got Bunker?
WRT Mish
Like Denninger...
They believe oil is a renewable resource.
This is a combination of denial and total stupidity:
Nov. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal plans to increase his stake in Citigroup Inc. to 5 percent after the U.S. bank lost almost a quarter of its value yesterday.
``Prince Alwaleed began buying Citi shares, as he strongly believes that they are dramatically undervalued,'' he said today in a statement.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aYFMlJSugZqQ&refer=home
Keith, I don't have time to read "what comes next". What comes next?
How can we protect capital and/or profit with this upon us?
It could go negative, it could already be negative!
After all, aren't we giving banks capital (not mere loans) in order to "get them lending again"?
They have a 1% window and wads of cash to boot!
Could be negative already!
But this isn't a monetary problem, it is an overpopulation / technology problem.
Call me stupid, but isn't deflation what's needed to cure the asset bubble?
Is it possible to have a negative interest rate? Sort of free money, but with an extra stimulus?
Why not? Local goverments have been doing it for years. I know the state of Maryland has had many programs with zero percent loans for low-income borrowers for mortgages and closing costs, home improvement, etc. A lot of those loans were not only zero percent, but were eventually completely forgiven. So what the hell - who needs payback?
can I get a heloc that is prime + 0?
party on Wayne! Party on Garth!
Japan tried the 0% interest rate thing too. DID NOT WORK.
I will scare you into the market and take your money.
Once you are broke, you will be my slave.
Your Friend in DC
Satan...
Never thought I would see $40.00 oil again either, but the China Oil People say that is the next drop.
FMW
Oil groups expect $40 barrel – CNOOC head
By Alan Beattie in Barcelona
Published: November 18 2008 20:35 | Last updated: November 18 2008 20:35
The world’s national oil companies expect oil prices to fall further and will cancel most planned investment projects even at current levels, according to the head of a Chinese state-owned group.
A recent meeting of the national oil companies in Beijing had predicted oil prices would fall to about $40 a barrel, Fu Chengyu, chief executive of China National Offshore Oil Corporation, told a conference in Barcelona.
Why stop at 0?
Zero percent didn't work in Japan. I don't know why we think it will work here.
What a joke.
Well look at that. The Dow fell below its magical 5 year low of 7880 made just six weeks ago, October 10, 2008.
"How can we protect capital and/or profit with this upon us?"
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I think we need to pay more attention to how we will protect ourselves, rather than our capital.
Got Seeds?
Got Guns?
"Why stop at 0?"
Yeah, Bercracky's lending out money at 1%. Inflation is at minimum 5% so I'm making 4% just for taking Craky's money.
What's another 2%, who's counting. Make it -1% interest rates.
At least Bercraky would make it explicit that you make money from borrowing from the Fed. We'd all feel better.
The DOW looks like a return to the long-term mean. Yikes! That would put us at about 4500 or so next summer.
n0
Coconutz!
They should silence the "out of ammo" people and skip zero and drop it straight to -0.5%.
Her hold have some cash, we'll pay you for the privilege. What better way to print money?
We'll be lucky to find safe 2% savings interest that's no longer than 1 year commitment. That really sucks.
Can't bet in the options market because the options writer might not pay up.
Can't really short or go long in the market because of strong volatility.
Money is just going to sit. Hopefully houses become dirt cheap sooner than later so I can use that cash as shelter.
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