I'd say not only does the GOP have a GOD problem, they also have an ignorance problem. Which is now a major marketing problem.
Being the party of the clueless, the ignorant, the uneducated, the racist, the homophobic, the jingoistic, the fearful, the stupid, the anti-science and the anti-intellectual might have served them well in the past, well, frankly, when there were slightly more ignorant people.
But lo and behold, maybe thanks in part to blogs and the internet, America is running low(er) on dumb people. And the number of states where the ignorant can isolate themselves from the truth is dwindling (big shout out Alabama and Alaska!)
My message to the GOP: throw the fundamentalist religious crazies overboard. There are plenty of spiritual and religious voters out there, but they're repulsed by the right wing religious nutjobs (shout out Sarah Palin!). So throw them overboard. Let them start their own ignorant party. And start over as the "New GOP - Now Religious-Crazy Free!".
Giving Up on God By Kathleen Parker
As Republicans sort out the reasons for their defeat, they likely will overlook or dismiss the gorilla in the pulpit.
Three little letters, great big problem: G-O-D.
I'm bathing in holy water as I type.
To be more specific, the evangelical, right-wing, oogedy-boogedy branch of the GOP is what ails the erstwhile conservative party and will continue to afflict and marginalize its constituents if reckoning doesn't soon cometh.
Simply put: Armband religion is killing the Republican Party. And, the truth -- as long as we're setting ourselves free -- is that if one were to eavesdrop on private conversations among the party intelligentsia, one would hear precisely that."
The GOP has surrendered its high ground to its lowest brows. In the process, the party has alienated its non-base constituents, including other people of faith (those who prefer a more private approach to worship), as well as secularists and conservative-leaning Democrats who otherwise might be tempted to cross the aisle.
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"But lo and behold, maybe thanks in part to blogs and the internet, America is running low(er) on dumb people."
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
The dumb ones are just better organized now.
Keith, it is true what you're saying. Look at the bailouts. Most of the opposition to this theft came from Republicans. Most the Democrats and especially their leadership (Dodd, Pelosi, Reid, Franck,etc.) where cheering Paulson on. The only serious resistance came from the Republican intelligencia. Unfortunately one of the worst presidents ever, Ronald Reagan, brought the religious nut jobs into the party to gain more votes. Well that plan, like many of the policies set in motion by RR, back fired. All that seems to be trickling down these days is BS and religous gibberish. That turns off many folks (like myself) that would vote for fiscal conservatives. Throw the religious zealots overboard, not only to save the GOP, but to save the nation. They can establish the "Flat Earth Party" or whatever they want to call the accumulation of fools and haters. Palin would be a worthy leader of the flat earth party.
The religious right is neither.
The religionists have one thing in common, suspension of belief in reality. This is why so many of the religionists can continue to believe that violent capitalism and democracy are the same thing. One has nothing to do with the other and that doesn't mean a thing to someone who believes in lala land. The suspension of belief in reality ...what a great trick!
Were one to believe in God, one would not likely put political concerns before said belief.
god is the problem i knew it was something but couldn't quite figure it out you know being stupid and everything not hanging with the right people might look into atheism or maybe agnostic stuff what about that tom cruise religion they seem to be happy folks i know islam is the answer but obama is a christian spent 20 years in some church in chicago listening to some right fellow and obama got elected how is that i thought god was the problem but every time obama opened his mouth he was talking about his faith so maybe just republican gods are the problem not democrat gods i didn't know there was a difference but i guess republican gods believe in pro life crap and democrat gods believe in late term abortions so thanks for the instruction manual and just a thought i would wager my life that if you were in a room waiting to be executed by these scumbags in india you might actually find god in that room and wished you had a firearm like all of us right wing idiots but what do i know
Never mind who said "Religion is the opiate of the masses." That opens up a can of worms. The point is he was right. It would seem that religion was created by the ruling classes to stifle the desires and ambitions of the underclasses, to keep them in their place, to keep them humble and distracted, and yes, to anesthetize them, leaving the ruling class to control everything. It worked great for George Bush. HEY HICKS --WATCH OUT FOR ABORTION AND GAYS! Don't look over here at me and Cheney and our buds looting your money!
I'm a Christian, and for the first time I did not vote for a Republican President. Please don't let these bad people in office, and in the media, stop you from finding peace and love.
Being the party of the clueless, the ignorant, the uneducated, the racist, the homophobic, the jingoistic, the fearful, the stupid, the anti-science and the anti-intellectual might have served them well in the past, well, frankly, when there were slightly more ignorant people.
Let's see now...
50% of blacks hate Jews and blacks vote overwhelmingly Democratic.
The left rejects science whenever it contradicts their beliefs (think former U.S. Treasury Secretary Larry Sommers at Harvard).
The majority of high school drop outs vote Democratic; the majority of college graduates vote Republican.
Hey Keith -- besides being a bigot, you're an idiot. A smart bigot would at least do a little better research, you moron!
Keith, it is true what you're saying. Look at the bailouts. Most of the opposition to this theft came from Republicans. Most the Democrats and especially their leadership (Dodd, Pelosi, Reid, Franck,etc.) where cheering Paulson on. The only serious resistance came from the Republican intelligencia.
And most people are against the bailouts, you idiot. If you bought something you cannot afford, that's not my problem, idiot!
Unfortunately one of the worst presidents ever, Ronald Reagan, brought the religious nut jobs into the party to gain more votes.
No, you left-wing idiot! Reagan rarely discussed his religion while in office and rarely attended church. The reason Reagan got the votes he did was because Carter (1980) could not lead, and in 1984 the economy had recovered ending several years of stagflation. He did not get almost 60% of the popular vote and almost every state by recruiting the religious nut jobs, you left-wing idiot!
God is not the problem. The problem is people that try to impose their beliefs on everyone else - pretending that they personally know the will of God. Worst of all are the people that use their "book" to weild power over others yet fail to heed the lessons that come out of them and even willfully ignore the contents that they don't like. It doesn't matter which book you follow - it's true for all religions.
Here's how they meet and mate:
http://hannidate.hannity.com/
I can't believe that's real. But it is.
"Keeping the gene pool watered down - Hannidate!"
So the answer is to hand power over to people who think they're God? The left likes to ridicule religion, and yes, there are extreme elements who make their job easy. However, the "we're sooo smart" crowd has tried many times to create societies without spiritual foundations. Each time the result has been ugly and/or tragic, with millions dead.
But hey, maybe THIS time it'll be different, because we're sooo smart...
So how does a Republican pander to the religous nut-job voter:
Anti-abortion constitutional amendment, yep Reagan called for that.
Anti-gay rhetoric, check RR.
Subtle racism, Check.
GOD in the public square (10 commandements, school prayer, etc), Reagan was there.
So these polarizing topics are not a huge vote getter for the GOP?
If a Republican wants to win an election the first question is "What would Ronald Reagan do?"
Has the USA changed?
NO, W was just that bad.
Keith you are corrupt in your left wing religion hating, communist views. You are corrupt because you do not admit what you are.
Oh yes I do go to church on Sunday, I also own guns. I listen to talk radio. I and others like me will be persicuted by our new government.
Last Anon, thank you for your kind words. Nice to see someone step straight out of a stereotype.
You should drop by my church one day. Lots of sane people. Nobody speaking in tongues. Nobody preaching hatred.
You know, like most churches in America. Unlike the fundamentalist crazy churches and mosques destroying this world, of which you evidently belong.
Snake - go check the demographic data from the last election
America is getting more educated and more ethnic.
And most importantly, young people are SIGNIFICANTLY more tolerant of the life choices of their fellow man, and they voted anti-GOP by a vast majority. The GOP's base is dying off. And the GOP is dying with it.
Math is not the friend of the GOP. And that's why if they ever want to win another national election, they're going to have to throw the religious right over the rail.
It's over.
Time for them to move on, or go away.
78% of Jewish vote went to Obama, polls find
http://www.denverpost.com/election/ci_10910405
The GOP can't walk away from the fundamentalist nut jobs - that's half the party. Rebuilding a successful GOP would require an appeal to smaller, efficient government, a balanced budget, and responsible fiscal policy - an appeal that would fall on deaf ears. Both parties have done their best to keep the population stupid so they could be easily influenced.
We are likely to see a weak GOP and a democratic party beset by infighting. Get ready for a decade of political chaos on top of economic chaos. There is no way to take even an educated guess of what will arise from the ashes.
We are likely to see a weak GOP and a democratic party beset by infighting. Get ready for a decade of political chaos on top of economic chaos. There is no way to take even an educated guess of what will arise from the ashes.
Which, actually, might be the best thing for this country.
Seriously.
The news this weekend about frenzied shoppers KILLING A MAN in their lust to ... what? ... save $1.50 on a Wiimote?
We have learned nothing from The Crash yet. Which means that we aren't yet going to change our behavior.
It's like operant conditioning. If you don't give the monkey the shock, it won't stop pushing the lever that used to deliver it hits of cocaine.
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from Nov 30 5:30pm
"America is getting more educated"??
and more ethnic...and this is a good thing???
The Dumbing Down of Amerika is alive and well!!!
Our shores have been overrun by third world ilk!
WTF!!!
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Maybe its just the early a.m. beers, but my only disagreement w/ Keith is that the nut-job vote can still turn an election.
I think the religious wack-o's stayed away this year as McCain didn't pander and Palin was just a tard.
If the social issues of the last 3 decades had been forefront in the election, the result would have been differnt.
The GOP actually courted the religious right to gain votes under W. Bush—not Reagan. It was Carl Rove’s “brilliant” idea to woo in right-wing churchgoers in the 2004 elections that gave us four more years of Bush.
Bush needed to finish the job, and finished he did!
The armband religion in the US is no different than the headband fanaticism we now see in the Middle East. Both are dangerous because they are made up of dumb, blind hatemongers.
Having said that, I believe religion is a necessary evil. It helps governments (and their corporate masters) keep world citizenry under control. Just imagine a world with no religion and no godly commandments or promises of some heavenly rewards for the disinherited in the thereafter!
Governments (including Priests and Imams) need religion to protect themselves from the sheeple and to amass more riches from them by way of taxes and donations.
The arsenal at the disposal of the elite to quell and control the sheeple is impressive: Weapons of all sorts, jails, Cops, military personnel, judges, media people (propaganda), preachers (mind control), etc. Yet, with all this arsenal at their disposal, the elite can barely manage to keep a firm grip on the populace. So just imagine what would happen if one takes religion out of the equation!
I see two ways to deal with those crazy people: You either join them and try to make money out of them through preaching or something of that sort, or you stay the hell away from them. I don’t preach and I don’t make money out of those zealots, but every time I meet a fanatic, I handle him/her as I would normally deal with anybody suffering from a mental disease.
i would wager my life that if you were in a room waiting to be executed by these scumbags in india you might actually find god.
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Yes I would immediately turn to God.. Allah. In fact if I proved loved Allah they might let me go.
By the way if they did kill you.. Straight to heaven you go.. how bad can that be , if you dont want to die your a faker.
50% of blacks hate Jews
And Saddam Hussein has nukes and can strike the US and Europe with just 15 minutes' notice...
And VP Cheney isn't profiting from the Halliburton no-bid war contracts (despite owning 100 million shares in a "trust")...
And the terrists are comin' to get us...
And if we don't bail out AIG and Citigroup, the economy will collapse...
And if we just pass this $700 billion stimulus package, we'll avert a credit freeze and recession...
And the deficit doesn't matter...
And the fags are going to recruit your children...
All these "facts" (as well as the quoted "fact") brought to you by the GOP -- the largest organized crime operation in human history.
>Being the party of the clueless, the ignorant, the uneducated, the racist, the homophobic, the jingoistic, the fearful, the stupid, the anti-science and the anti-intellectual might have served them well in the past, well, frankly, when there were slightly more ignorant people.
Oh, the Dems don't have any of that stuff? I remind you (btw those that need constant reminding are kinda stupid too).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI
DOPES!!!
"The GOP actually courted the religious right to gain votes under W. Bush—not Reagan."
Incorrect.
Profoundly incorrect.
Jerry Falwell.
Pat Robertson.
etc.
Just remember this Keith...
No GOD... No Peace
Know GOD...Know Peace
Ever wondered why people of faith are happier?
Ever wonder why sin such as drug & alcohol abuse cause tragic ends in families?
Rail against GOD...Go ahead...people have done it since the fall but the fact is He never changes.
The same yesterday,today & forever
Amen
I don't know why right wing fundamentalist religious nutjobs think that all people who aren't right wing fundamentalist religious nutjobs don't believe in god
Man, some people are dense.
I know that the mega churches of the 1980's had political speakers who spoke fearfully of :
one world government
the United Nations
what they were saying being found
out by outsiders. Church members
told to keep it to themselves. I
am guessing that was to keep tax
exempt status.
In 2006 I heard one popular Christian speaker on radio saying they didn't want the brotherhood of man, as well as anti UN stuff, and the One World threat --(tell that to the Republican bankers et al who have their hands out now)..so what is Christianity FOR? I was flabbergasted at the guy listening to it who went on and on re Christianity as if he was qualified to teach me...My relationship with
what I have experienced as the Creator Energy is mine, and mine alone.
Christian churches have been up to no good since the 80's in many many ways. My personal take on Christianity is that the Roman Empire in it's latter days, and we all have some concept of that, hijacked the faith and sculpted it to suit itself, and the Protestant church did it's own version of the same thing. We pretty much are left with a cult. Not that there wasn't inherent truths or goodness there, just that power, and money get the emphasis, and there are a lot of cult like qualities that gross me out.
Grandma PKK
Religion has done a lot of good for humanity; and bad as well. Athiests have also done good for humanity and bad as well.
It would be best for all to take a more middle of the road approach to religion and science.
There are severe breakdowns in both the theory of creation and the theory of evolution. Neither can be proven...never. They both rely on faith.
For the religious, it is a faith that a creator created all the matter in the Universe and then created humans and all living things. For athiests, it is a faith that all the matter in the Universe (and the Universe itself) was created out of nothingness (which also needs to explained) and that life was created from random movements of electrons hitting each other (and then, of course, millions of additional random processes that resulted in the creation of DNA, genetic coding, all life forms' physical attributes, and the concept of mutations/variability).
Keith, sometimes you go overboard with your stridency in these discussion strings...you just did on this one!! :-)
I've had it - I call it like I see it
And I see the GOP killing themselves, with no way out except to throw the religious right overboard.
And I see fundamentalist religious nutjobs of all stripes doing evil in this world, instead of good.
God would be very, very disappointed at what people do in her name.
why is it only the religious right that's vilified never the left that has destroyed this country from its courts to its schools show me a religious school anywhere in this country that doesn't graduate it's students at a higher rate than public schools show me a city run by left wing ideology that isn't a complete disgrace go raise your family in san francisco and have your children walk the streets of that city and not be confronted with garbage in the name of diversity or chicago where your hero is from and with the highest murder rate or la where gang violence is out of control because the left embraces open borders but we are the problem and when your hero takes the oath he will take it with his hand on a bible but i'm just ignorant and a right wing zealot clinging to my guns and religion while you are the enlightened one because of why?
There are only two types of people who profess to believe in any God: liars and fools.
The liars pretend to believe so that they can fleece the fools (think Ted Haggard).
The fools just desperately think they need the crutch that religion provides. They are too intellectually weak to face the truth that there is NO evidence of any type with which to back ANY of the spiritual systems on Earth (which are all mutually exclusive at that).
The liars need punishing, the fools need educating, and both should be treated with a great deal of care as their respective mental conditions make them by definition unreasonable and thus dangerous.
The sooner religion is removed from this rock the better everyone will be.
And to answer the main question for this thread - yes - anyone or any organization that believes in God has a problem. The GOP particularly so.
"50% of blacks hate Jews
And Saddam Hussein has nukes and can strike the US and Europe with just 15 minutes' notice...
And VP Cheney isn't profiting from the Halliburton no-bid war contracts (despite owning 100 million shares in a "trust")...
And the terrists are comin' to get us...
And if we don't bail out AIG and Citigroup, the economy will collapse...
And if we just pass this $700 billion stimulus package, we'll avert a credit freeze and recession...
And the deficit doesn't matter...
And the fags are going to recruit your children..."
Nothing to do with the claim that "50% of blacks hate Jews", a claim which has been supported again and again through numerous media polls.
And the main point of the post (since you so clearly missed it) was that Democrats have their bigots as well.
Keith said...
"And I see fundamentalist religious nutjobs of all stripes doing evil in this world, instead of good."
It's almost entirely Arab Muslims, you stupid piece of shit!
Who cares anything about the dying GOP? Let them go in peace. They will not be missed. Its birth resulted in the deaths of millions in the civil war, and it has been downhill ever since.
"I'd say not only does the GOP have a GOD problem, they also have an ignorance problem. Which is now a major marketing problem."
religion is the number 1 cause of ignorance...
Keith,
the secular left is as whacked out as many who are on the religious right. their views on so many issues are anti-human in many respects, and unnatural as well...violating their own beliefs in the moral edicts intrinsic to the theory of evolution (whatever they may be...i'm still trying to understand how protons/electrons/neutrons have any intrinsic morality associated with them!). These include, but are not limited to, things such as the destruction of the family and the primacy of the "State" in familial affairs, centralized govt. that suppresses the freedom and liberty that humans -- as animals of nature -- are born with, advocating the "natural" occurrence of homosexuality in nature when the theory of evolution argues against such a thing, denying fathers the right to relationships with their offspring in the case of divorces (we have all heard the horror stories of parental alienation perpetrated by divorced mothers and which is supported by the Leftist-dominated family court system), etc. I could go on and on. And yes, I could say similar things for those on the religious right.
You should not think of the Left as saints. THEY ARE NOT. In fact, history is replete with the many crimes and mass murder of those who don't believe in God...that is: the atheists, secularists, evolutionists, and dawinians who created socialist, facists, and communist governments. I don't think I have to explain these historical facts of the 20th century. But if you are keeping score, these folks have cost many more millions of lives in the 20th century than creationists have. And likewise, there have been many crimes and mass murder by folks who believe in God. I don't think I have to explain these either.
This is why I say people should be more middle of the road on religion and evolution.
As much as I find the idea of a creator creating the Universe (and us) hard to believe, I am equally incredulous at the idea that all matter in the Universe (and the Universe itself) was created out of nothing, and that extremely complex animals like humans are the product of other animals -- over a period of millions of years -- bumping into things and growing new physical attributes. Honestly, given what I know of both theories, I have found myself tending more towards the theological side of things as I grow older.
by the way, people are free to use "she" to refer to God even though God has no gender. The word He was used because the men who wrote the Bible needed a pronoun to refer to the proper noun; so they picked the one that refers to their sex, obviously. "He" really just refers to the non-gender creator that humans call God.
finally, it is the more secular States in America that are losing population, not the religious ones. people are leaving for saner -- and more religious -- parts of the country because the Left has become too radicalized and too powerful in many States. So instead of fighting a losing battle, these people just pick up and leave for more normal and middle-of-the-road parts of the country.
The GOP needs to get serious about getting government off our backs. Two minor changes will get them back in the demographic running:
1. Support marijuana legalization
2. Support gay rights/end gay-bashing
That's it! They need to become the party of small government/freedom and drop all the "family values" garbage that no one under 30 cares about.
"And the deficit doesn't matter...
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All these "facts" (as well as the quoted "fact") brought to you by the GOP"
...and your president, Barack Obama, a Democrat. Look it up. He says we have to ignore the deficit for a while.
Black is white, white is black...a Republican is a Democrat.
Keith is right. The religious are the most fearful, the most punitive and do not question authority.
How can the Republican Party reform itself? By getting rid of the incompetent fools that made the decision to silence Ron Paul.
He had a vocal and well organized grass roots organization which would have swamped Obama's.
But No, the party chieftans stupidly pandered to the most ignorant members of society. Even McCain joined in the stupidity by enlisting Palin as VP material.
Frankly, the Republican party deserves to die - permanently.
A new party is needed. One that recognizes what Ron Paul said -- that the Federal Gov't is unconstitutionally over grown. That the IRS needs to be disbanded and the Federal Reserve ended. Our money needs to be based on something solid like Gold. And LIBERTY needs to be the organizing principle of our society.
People need to get back to the fact that the US is a Republic NOT a Democracy. The difference is night vs. day. A republic is based on the rule of law. A democracy is based on the rule of the majority, sometimes called mob rule.
The intelligensia of the country should leave both the Dems and Repubs because neither party can possibly give the reforms we need.
"It's almost entirely Arab Muslims, you stupid piece of shit!"
Oh look! Another religious fundamentalist who doesn't own a mirror. Big frigging surprise...
Religion has become a force of evil. The Middle East nutjobs are obvious. But the ONLY reason our nutjobs aren't more dangerous is they are too uneducated to pose too much of a terrorism hazard. If they all knew how to make 500lb. IED warheads they could exterminate abortion in a day by blowing up the clinics.
Don't think they wouldn't love to do it. They have killed doctors, torched clinics, assaulted patients, stalked and threatened more doctors, and so on. Does "Army of God" ring a bell? Run by a Reverend "bin" Spitz, the group is an al Qaeda clone complete with training camps in a red state. And they have a web site with personal information about abortion doctors. The site stops BARELY short of inciting murder.
And the Jews are no Mr. Innocent. It was pre-Israeli Jews in Palastine in 1938 who first used a truck bomb. They stalked a milk truck, rented a warehouse to assemble the IED, hijacked a milk truck, loaded the IED as the warhead then drove it to a hotel to blow up. They gave the European Moslems a dangerous bright idea. Migrate to a country, and take over using terrorism.
If you still think religion is good, ask yourself this:
When was the last time an atheist used a truck bomb?
Know God No Peace
No God Know Peace
Note: Western Europe is going through a slow dieoff of religion except for those pesky Moslem immigrants. And they have a better living standard than we do. Put that in your Ark of the Covenant and worship it.
The data shows most people are conservative in their values but didn't like mccain. There also wasn't a record turnout this election. Many of the so called right wing didn't vote.Also, majority of people don't know Obama is radical on issues like abortion, gay marriage, human cloning, embryonic stem cell research, and euthanasia. The Catholic bishops have stated if Obama does this radical Freedom of Choice act (which would make all hospitals perform abortion, get rid of the freedom of concience clause which give a doctors,nurses,ect the right to refuse assisting in abortion, overturn parental notification of minor recieving an abortion, overturning ultrasound and waiting period.. basically every pro-life law enacted since roe vs wade)than every Catholic hospital would have to be shut down, because you can't have a catholic institution killing pre born children. This would be a terrible situation because many poor people rely on these charitable instituions.58,000,000 unborn children (1/4 of all people born since 1973)have been murdered since roe vs wade that is why the religous vote republican. It doesn't matter to the child being killed if there is going to be good healthcare or the economy .I am sure many people will be shocked that they voted for Obama. I think many drank the kool aid, were misinformed, or just mad at Bush. I am a devout Catholic and don't really care if you call me an idiot. Hopefully one day you pray to Jesus and let Him be a part of your life. In the end judgement day won't be with all those idiots you say, it will be you all alone with God. WWW.durealidad.com this video really shows abortion and I don't know anyone who can watch it and be pro choice again.
Typo it is www.durarealidad.com
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