November 22, 2008

Soot & Ashes Serious Question of the Day (with extra credit)


Do you own a gun?


Extra credit:

Would you use it to kill an intruder?

Would you use it to kill someone stealing your car?

Would you use it to kill someone stealing food from your garage or garden?

59 comments:

tea bagger said...

I own several guns and would blow the testicles off any intruder or scumbag trying to rip me off.
-12 gauge
-9mm
-.22 cal rifle

too many list

Anonymous said...

I was reading the WSJ the other day, the actual newspaper, not the online version, and they had about 6 full pages of confiscated firearms from Alabama, South Carolina, Arkansas...I don't get it.

Anonymous said...

I know this will make a lot of guys mad, but hey, girls didn't grow up playing cowboys and indians.
Men just love guns, and I think so many just wish they had some reason to shoot someone.
THAT scares me.
I mean, people weren't shooting everybody right and left during the last depression unless they were robbing banks.

Anonymous said...

Yes on all three. I live in Florida, have a concealed permit, have several pistols and long arms. I live in a State where the impression of threat allows me to blow the head off any aggressor, and I will.

I visit the SoCal Border frequently, chasing Illegals with my surveillance equipment. My host, a Border Town Rancher, has a gun in every room to protect his family against the 20% of Illegals that steal, threaten, kill Americans along the Border. He will also use force.

This is America today. The press surpresses the truth that violence is escalating.

We have evolved into a South American State.

For reference,I am retired and have advanced education - an MBA and used to be a Liberal, Critical Thinker. No more.

Anonymous said...

Trying to convince wifey that we need to buy what tea bagger has - shotgun, pistol, and .22. Check out SurvivalBlog for some recommendations. But and it's a big one - need training, safe, education, plan, etc. Would like to buy now and get he rest later.

Anonymous said...

Gueth you thought my gun comment was thupid. Maybe the thmart people thow up thoon.
thorry.

Noodles said...

Anyone inside my house I'll shoot at because it's life or death for me or my family.

As for cars or even being robbed for watch and wallet it can be replaced BUT will only give in if guy has a gun or numbers.

Not a weakling either...Been shot and stabbed in San Diego...Just somethings aren't worth the trouble such as to take a life for $80 bucks in my wallet.

Those who crow the loudest about how badass they are don't really understand what happens even if you do have a "good shooting" and what it ends up costing you.

Anonymous said...

I rented out a house to some college students back in 2005.

They had hand guns, shotguns and an AK-47. All of them were loaded. They had a Pit Bull.

You might say they had some enemies but believed they were ready if something happened.


Three intruders kicked in the back door, shot and killed one of my renters, shot the other in the arm and took out the dog. Stole their cash, took their Xbox, wallets, car keys and laptop.

The whole thing took about 45 seconds.

If you think owning a gun will save you from getting ripped off, think again.

It might get you killed instead.

Malcolm said...

I own 3 guns (AR-15, Glock & H&K USC)
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I would not use the gun to defend my property (my car, my stuff)
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I would use it to defend my life, but only if there were no other options.

Anonymous said...

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Gun?



GUNZ!


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Anonymous said...

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YES to all!


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packing heat said...

Yes, I own.
Yes, I would defend myself.
No, I don't believe deadly force is appropriate for a property crime.
But it depends on the circumstances -- if my garden was suddenly my lifeline, you better stay the f#ck away. As it is though, fresh veggies are simply a nicety and not a life & death requirement.

I was looking at the evening local news and they mentioned that attendance was up 50% at the gun show from a year ago (in Virginia, just out from DC). If you are paying attention, there has been a huge run on assault-type weapons which has been popping up in the media from time to time. Folks think the Obama team is going to reinstate the assault weapons ban.

Anonymous said...

Yes,
Yes,

I also own many, including a few battle rifle and in a total shtf I would use them to stay safe

Anonymous said...

Do you own a gun?
Yes. Good one(s)

Extra credit:

Would you use it to kill an intruder?

An armed intruder, yes. And it would be shoot to kill, not maim, scare, etc.

Would you use it to kill someone stealing your car?

Car in is a carport, so it probably wouldn't threaten my life. No

Would you use it to kill someone stealing food from your garage or garden?

Depends on circumstances. Food in the house, I would have to say if I am threatened and they are also armed, yes, and once again, to kill. Hopefully, it never comes to this, but one should prepare for the worst, especially if they have taken the time to do research on the web (like this blog)

Aaron said...

Well, you're within your rights to kill someone in self defense, IF your life is in danger. And you could probably get away with killing a burglar. But shoot someone for stealing your vegetables (or your car for that matter) and you'll have some explaining to do, and could very well end up in prison and/or being sued for millions by the family of the deceased.

duarte said...

I prefer the kneecaps.

Anonymous said...

Yes. I am a Pennsylvania guy with several guns. Never hurt a soul but beer cans filled with water. BTW, gun shops are filled with people buying, buying, buying. They do not just fear Obama, they fear the economy. Bad economy about to get worse = civil unrest. Our local police force could not handle 10 rioters, but I could. Criminals always have guns, so law abiding citizens should have peace keepers as well. Look at Switzerland which is a neutral county. Nearly all of their citizens own guns. Oh, yeah, I also believe in God, but I am not bitter as the house, car, etc, are all paid off. As a generation Xer, I have learned self reliance, and to trust No Boomers, and No Yers, Echo Boomers. I expect Boomers to consume till they collapse the government. The private sector is bankrupt and the government will borrow, and bailout, until they are bankrupt too. Boomers can't stop being consumers. Boomers can't face the bill, Xers can't pay the bill, and Yers don't know there is a bill. The only survivors to Soot & Ashes are guns and gold. I talk to Obama voters and they have feel good feelings. They think things are going to get better. They are also the people with no guns and no gold.

Anonymous said...

my dog will eat anybody near my house/ If he dont em em then I'll soot em. I had some county idiot come knocen the other and he drove up pass the tresspassen sughn. Saw em comen so I let loose a mean hungry rot on em.. we he wont be comen back anytime soon.

gwk said...

You were reading the list of confiscated firearms required by law when the ATF or other law enforcement agencies DEA FBI seize contraband which then has to be publicly posted to give the true owner an opportunity to recover if they can prove legal ownership this property is not for sale and eventually is destroyed if not returned legally money seized is not destroyed but put in the federal treasury after all court cases are adjudicated narcotics obviously are always destroyed some property seized such as cars boats planes are often allocated to states to be used in their law enforcement efforts.

Anonymous said...

A little advice...

if you have to shoot,

Kill them!

You do not want to spend the next few years defending yourself and supporting an out of work thief and there families.

Don't call the cops, if you don't have to.
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Anonymous said...

Big difference between gun ownership and actually knowing how to use it!

gwk said...

yes i do and no you cannot kill a person stealing your car food clothes and an intruder is a little more complicated but no unless they are about to use deadly physical force on you or another then the rules change and a grand jury would decide your fate but generally you cannot kill someone over just property

Anonymous said...

not that any registry knows of... :)

Anonymous said...

I too have several guns...and lots of ammo. I also got a good dog off Craig's List. So I concur, if the dog doesn't stop whomever it is trying to hurt me or mine, I will do whatever is necessary in the most consciencious way possible given the circumstances. As for potential prosecution, the sentiments above presume there aren't going to be any police or courts. Everyone will be protecting their family and other important stuff.

WTF1920 said...

I have a .303 British rifle with a 10 round clip, a .44 revolver, and a F.A.S.T. vest capable of stopping several rounds from a 30-06.

I would shoot somebody under limited circumstances. Someone wants the $50 dollars from my wallet, fine take it. Someone in the store parking lot wants the bag of groceries I'm carrying on my way to the truck, take it.

But someone wants to hurt my family, BOOM! With me, theres only so much you can get away with. You can steal my money, wreck my truck, but if you try to hurt my family, you are fucking dead.

Anonymous said...

Every American has the right to defend themselves with firearms. It's called the Constitution.

That doesn't mean you have the right to blow people's heads off if they're trying to steal an apple from your apple tree. However, if you're life is threatened it's yours and everybody's God given right to defend themselves with a firearm.

That's what gun ownership is all about. And there are too many limp wristed, soy latte sipping lefties in this country that think the police will come running to their aid if they're ever in need.

Anonymous said...

Obama is coming for your guns. Just like Hitler came for the German's guns.

Peahippo said...

Do you own a gun?

YES. A battle rifle (commonly called an "assault rifle") and 2 9mm semiauto pistols with 8- and 15-round magazines.

Would you use [them] to kill an intruder?

This is a TRICK QUESTION. The right to use self defense automatically involves the use of deadly force, and such force could cause death for the intruder. So: I am certainly capable of killing an intruder, but I have no intention of executing him. If I sanely defend myself and -- due to the highly variable circumstances of the intrusion -- the intruder dies as a result, I will be sad but firm in my conviction that I did the right thing.

The rest of your questions were already answered as above. Self defense must necessarily be associated with lethal force. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just a gun-grabbing Liberal retard who INTENTIONALLY doesn't understand the U.S. Constitution.

Lady Di said...

Yes, would shoot to defend harm to the family especially my kids, but not over property.

Anonymous said...

Killing a human being in order to protect earthly goods seems to come natually to most blogg-visitors here. I dont say that the intruder is innocent. As a visitor from Godless ateistic Sweden, Im just struck by the careless easiness in which the "average" american blogg-visitor are willing to use firearms.

"Let the dead bury the dead" and "you shall reap what you seed" seems to be lost guidelines, in a nation who regard themselves as followers of Jesus.

Anonymous said...

.38 revolver
.22 pistol for target practice
Concealed carry permit (castle doctrine now law in Ohio)

All acquired within the past 2 years

The northeast/midwest blackout of 2003 was a warning sign. Hurricane Katrina was a catalyst. I don't expect total societal breakdown i.e. zombie hordes, just a continued transition to something like Brazil or Mexico...

Stuck in So Pa said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

A little advice...

if you have to shoot,

Kill them!

You do not want to spend the next few years defending yourself and supporting an out of work thief and there families.

Don't call the cops, if you don't have to.
==================================

That is almost exactly what the local sheriff told me. In your home, never take out a firearm to frighten, take it out to use it.
And make sure you kill the sob, for reason mentioned above.

Anonymous said...

Yes.

Yes to intruder. Better stick a knife in his hand post mortem, and make sure he's inside.

No to thiefs. You go to prison for that, unless you can prove they were endangering a life somehow.

satan said...

What do you think?

Now think again.

Imagine you did it.

Killed someone desperately trying to feed their family from your garden.

Now your conscience and moral constitution take control of your mind.

Welcome to Satan’s garden of Hell.

Thank you for your soul.

Thank you for joining the living dead.

Your friend at The NRA...

Satan

Gravey said...

I own a pistol. Thinking about a rifle and shotgun as well. We need to be realistic about society breaking down during difficult times. It seems like some nihilistic fantasy, but ugliness exists in this world.

I have been bred to reason, find a job and support my family. Society has also pushed me to stuff my natural male tendencies away and not act on them. I have not been bred to fight, or kill. I realize that. I also realize that if a group of men come into my home, I will be screwed. The beauty of a firearm is that is levels the playing field.

So to answer the 3 Q's

Intruder=dead
Car=I have insurance, let them have it.
Crops=If my family relied on it to subsist, then DEAD. Otherwise, they can run off with a tomato.

The framers of our constitution weren't a bunch of yahoos watching professional wrestling and wanking it to the internet. They were renaissance men who learned from the past. Guns are #2 on the bill of rights for a reason. It is there to back up #1. And we all love to shoot our mouths off.

Anonymous said...

In the house, double tap in the 10 ring. Bye Bye bad guy.

On the property - in the yard - in the garage, call the cops and keep an eye on him (them) till they leave or get busted.

-snow

Anonymous said...

I saw too many posts declaring that they would defend life, but not property. I guess these people are mind readers and know that after the hand over the cash, the car and the second born son, the goblins will walk away. The Republic of Texas understands that we are not mind readers.

It is called the Castle doctrine.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/032807dntexcastle.241e482.html

Anonymous said...

You can have an MBA, and be a liberal (smarter than a conservative), and still possess firearms.

Anonymous said...

Yes,

We also have bullet Proof Vests, Gas Masks, MREs, along with the M1 Battle tank in the Garage and the F16 at the Airport. Come on People, Guns will not protect you, unless you are trained, shoot at the range weekly. I have used a gun to protect myself down in Florida and if there were bullets in it I might have shot the guy trying to murder me with his shot gun. However I had a cell phone and I called 911 and he was arrested and is still in jail down there. If you get a gun, please take safety courses on learning how to use it, clean it and remember it is a very dangerous tool that can kill very easily. It can be taken away from you and used to kill you and your family. Your kid might find it under your bed or under the pillow and shoot the bully at school, or worst go to the mall and start shooting people. So if you get a gun use common sense, contact your law enforcement for schooling (In the states that guns a legal) and most of them have free training schools and will let you use there ranges too..
Just having a gun to make you feel safe, is an accident waiting to happen. I love the AK47 BS, that gun will shoot everything else but the target you are shooting at.

Anonymous said...

Kill intruder.

Try to shoot car robber in ass,
but if not oh well.

Yell at guy in trash.

Anonymous said...

I don't own a gun mostly because I haven't wanted to spend the time to learn about them. I'm also kind of absent-minded and I don't really trust myself with one. I also don't have any wife or kids to protect.

However, I strongly support all of you on the board who own them. I sleep better knowing that someone other than the government and criminals are armed.

duarte said...

Satan:

Do you go to hell for shooting someone in the kneecaps?

Of course, if the man stealing from my garden had a gun of his own, then he'd kill me, instead.

Hmm. Better just let everyone steal my food - MY family will starve, but we'll go to Heaven.

WTF1920 said...

"I love the AK47 BS, that gun will shoot everything else but the target you are shooting at."


Not so! I own an AK-47 (semi-auto) and I can shoot a basketball sized target from 100 yards away. At 50 yards, I can get a 6 inch grouping. If it was meant to be "spray fired" manufacturers would not bother putting sights on it.

It amazes me, how many people are ignorant of the AK-47. But hey, if you don't know anything about guns, why not just make up a bunch of crap? Right? LOL

Anonymous said...

I bought a Glock some months back, mainly because I feared an impending crackdown on gun purchases. I'd shoot to kill if my life were threatened, but not at a car or vegetable thief.

Joe Lunch Box said...

These Bernard Goetz fantasies of blowing away bad guys are just sad. If you are all such bad a$$es why aren't you all in Iraq or Afghanistan defending this country?

I don't own any guns and if America becomes the land of kill or be killed then there is no point in going on.

Instead of indulging in survivalist fantasies why not try working to fix things and help make the world a better place?

And as far as the government taking away all the guns. Not going to happen but if they want to they will. The guys they'll sent out to collect the guns are better armed and better trained than you'll ever be. So try thinking before going into the cold dead hands bit because if the government is coming for your guns they won't really care if you hand it over or they pick up off the ground where they dropped you.

Anonymous said...

Killing a human being in order to protect earthly goods seems to come natually to most blogg-visitors here. I dont say that the intruder is innocent. As a visitor from Godless ateistic Sweden, Im just struck by the careless easiness in which the "average" american blogg-visitor are willing to use firearms.

"Let the dead bury the dead" and "you shall reap what you seed" seems to be lost guidelines, in a nation who regard themselves as followers of Jesus.


Oh go play an ABBA album and live in your socialist utopia. Love the blond, blue eyed beauties right until they start trying to think.

vanilla ice said...

F Citigroup. Let it burn.

Anonymous said...

"And as far as the government taking away all the guns. Not going to happen but if they want to they will. The guys they'll sent out to collect the guns are better armed and better trained than you'll ever be. So try thinking before going into the cold dead hands bit because if the government is coming for your guns they won't really care if you hand it over or they pick up off the ground where they dropped you."


That's not the point. The point is: Live free or die!

Anonymous said...

Yes, enough to stop a column of tanks. It is called heart and brains.

Anonymous said...

yes to intruder. no and no.

Anonymous said...

I own guns and I am stocked up on ammo. I don't need anything else, because when shtf I will just point my gun at the Joe Lunch Boxes of the world and take their shit. Thank God for unarmed liberals!

les said...

Don't shoot them in the back. And drag the body inside the house. You'll be ok.

satan said...

duarte said...
Satan:

Do you go to hell for shooting someone in the kneecaps?

Of course, if the man stealing from my garden had a gun of his own, then he'd kill me, instead.

Hmm. Better just let everyone steal my food - MY family will starve, but we'll go to Heaven.

November 23, 2008 8:38 PM


No my son, you go to prison for that, you are in hell now.

Your friend in DC.
Satan.

gutless and lazy said...


Do you own a gun?

Extra credit:

Would you use it to kill an intruder?

Would you use it to kill someone stealing your car?

Would you use it to kill someone stealing food from your garage or garden?


Q: Do you own a gun?
A: Yes! I am a frightened, weak person. I am also paranoid and anti social. I believe force and violence are always the final solution to any conflict.

Q: Would you use it to kill an intruder?
A: Yes! I live in America, it's my right to kill on intrusion alone. Maybe it's dark, it's late and some teenagers are pulling some pranks inside my basement. It's still my right to blow them away.

Q: Would you use it to kill someone stealing your car?

A: Absolutely!! What the average car worth? 20 grand? 30 grand. Human life is cheap. It's certainly worth less than 30 grand.

Q: Would you use it to kill someone stealing food from your garage or garden?

A: Yes! Didn't Jesus do this too? When the sick and hungry bothered him, I beleived he blew them away with a the latest model slingshot. Be like Jesus today. Blow away the hungry too.

*** stary eyed idiot *** said...

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

If Obama is against them then so am I.

Anonymous said...

Hey "gutless and lazy" why don't you take you're Gandhi attitude and shove it.

"A: Yes! I am a frightened, weak person. I am also paranoid and anti social. I believe force and violence are always the final solution to any conflict."

Remember this if someone kicks in your door, steals all your shit, and leaves you for dead.

"A: Absolutely!! What the average car worth? 20 grand? 30 grand. Human life is cheap. It's certainly worth less than 30 grand."

Pfft, you said it, not us.

"A: Yes! Didn't Jesus do this too? When the sick and hungry bothered him, I beleived he blew them away with a the latest model slingshot. Be like Jesus today. Blow away the hungry too."

What the hell are you talking about??

Anonymous said...

No I burnown 24 guns and lots of ammo.
Burn Baby Burn

gutless and lazy said...

"A: Yes! Didn't Jesus do this too? When the sick and hungry bothered him, I beleived he blew them away with a the latest model slingshot. Be like Jesus today. Blow away the hungry too."

What the hell are you talking about??


Like Keith says, thanks for proving there are still idiots out there walking the streets of America.

Anonymous said...

"Like Keith says, thanks for proving there are still idiots out there walking the streets of America."

Uh, and just how did I do that? I think other people may have proven that, but I know I didn't.