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O fucking please. The same people who control the banking system and the prison system and the school system are controlling the propaganda demonization of Iran. I happen to believe Ahmedinejad is an idiot playing to his evangelical, religious, ignorant base. But that is no reason to START a war against 80 million people, with differing ideas and emotions and dreams. You are a god-damned idiot for comparing Ahmedinejad to Hitler, as Ahmedinejad does not actually have the distinction of killing ANY Jews or building ANY concentration camps. Which is more than can be said for Israel. In this post-1984 world, one need not actually be guilty to be convicted.
What kind of misinformed simplistic diatribe are you spouting this time, Keith?
Israel sparking WWIII with Iran?
Look, I don't like Iran but please stop and think before you start saying Israel should start bombing a nation of 70 million people.
What Alhmedinijad says is true. Israel is the most racist nation on the planet today. Do you even remember what happened in Gaza just a few months ago?
Do you even know the history of US-Iranian relations? Mossadeq and the Shah of Iran, the CIA and it's Iranian off-shoot SAVAK?
"Send the planes, Israel" is all you have to say. Yeah, that's really intelligent debate Keith. Let's start WWIII over some misrepresented comments by a country that has no nukes when Israel is armed to the teeth with over 300 nukes.
That's smart Keith. Real "scientific" as you like to say.
WSJ -- WASHINGTON – Rep. Jane Harman (D) asked the Justice Department to release transcripts of her recorded conversations following published reports she was caught on tape agreeing to seek leniency for two pro-Israeli lobbyists under investigation for espionage.
According to the published accounts, first reported by Congressional Quarterly, Ms. Harman appears to agree to push for leniency for the two employees of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee in exchange for help gaining the chairmanship of the intelligence committee. The recordings were reportedly made by the National Security Agency. It isn't clear precisely what the agency was monitoring.
In the transcripts, Ms. Harman was reportedly told that a major Democratic donor could be convinced to cut off contributions to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in order to pressure the speaker to give Ms. Harman the intelligence chair. Ms. Harman failed to get the intelligence post after a fight within the Democratic caucus and now heads a subcommittee.
In her letter to Mr. Holder, Ms. Harman doesn't deny speaking to advocates for the AIPAC lobbyists.Oh yeah, the Israelis are your friends...
It's not just Ahmedinejad, it's the the 80 million Iranians who have a differing idea if Israel, or even Israeli people should exist. The leaders are only as dangerous as the the people they rule.
They have to send the planes at some point. It will be an absolute ass kicking over quickly in typical muslim military style.
My prediction is it happens before the 4th of July.
Anon said....O fucking please. The same people who control the banking system and the prison system and the school system are controlling the propaganda demonization of Iran.
Do they control the words that come out of this mans mouth too. You are very ignorant of the fundamental teachings of Islam that this man and his moolas take very seriously. Make no mistake islam means submission (to allah) and they will stop at nothing ,if anything the media panders to them lest we have a dutch cartoon episode on our hands.Grow up and face the fact that Hitler types have will and do exist . Secondly you know nothing of the true facts of the so called Palestinian struggle other than what has be spoon fed to you. Go to any middle east country and demand the same level tolerance that we afford people of Arab descent in this country.
Yep, you keep reading and following these "experts" on The New York Times, CNN, MSNBC, etc:
Last week, New York Times personal finance columnist Ron Lieber discovered that his family's financial planner was being investigated for fraud, because millions of dollars had been transferred out of clients' accounts without authorization. What's funny is Lieber found the financial planner while writing a column on how to comparison shop for one.
"We liked Mr. Weitzman's advice and demeanor," he writes.Don't trust media!!!
O fucking please. The same people who control the banking system and the prison system and the school system are controlling the propaganda demonization of Iran. I happen to believe Ahmedinejad is an idiot playing to his evangelical, religious, ignorant base. ---------------------------------
ok, i happen to agree with your assessment of Ahmed. what happens when iran gets the bomb? will Ahmed then become smart and stand up to the religious leaders and prevent them from nuking israel?
"differing ideas and emotions"
you got that right. the leaders want to wipe israel of the map. that certainly is a differing idea, well, maybe they share that one with rabid liberals in this country.
O Hell yeh! Some silly dude in a bad suit makes a speech that points out that perhaps all is not well with the State of Israel, so of course we must go to war. As if that were enough to turn the Persian gulf into a lake of burning tankers. Cut us off from a quarter of our oil supply for god knows how long, just because the Pres of Iran called Israel a bunch of lying fu#kers. Great.
Keith, you are woefully ignorant on the Israel/Iran situation. Israel has the largest nuclear arsenal in the middle east and pose a much greater threat to world peace than Iran. Why don't you talk about all of the Israel spying going goin on in the USA and the influence of AIPAC on our government?
I DON'T LIKE Ahmedinejad. he is a religious nuts, he supports death penalty for gays and many more nasty things to be mentioned. BUT saying that israel is a racist state is pure truth. You might not agree with his view, just like i don't agree ALL the rest of his preaching. But suggesting that iran should be bombed because his president just expressed his opinion is beyond shameful. So much for "freedom of speech" ... now even a not mainsream OPINION is a sin...
Kevin:Israel has been threatened with destruction.
I WILL ANNIHILATE YOU HEATHEN SWINE.
Now quick - send heavily armed aircraft to bomb the shit out of Santa Cruz, CA and make sure you kill a whole bunch of civilians.
I mean, obviously our choices are a) Let Iran nuke Israel or b) Bomb the shit out of Iran. It is plain as day that there are only two options and those are the only two options that exist.
Get a clue. If Iran wanted to make Israel uninhabitable, THEY COULD AT THIS INSTANT. If they were willing to sacrifice themselves for it they would have ALREADY DONE SO. Syria has the most vile and comprehensive chem/bio weapons program on Earth. Israel would blink out tonight if they were really so willing. This atom bomb crap is NONSENSE. A shitty h-bomb is nothing compared to the horrors they ALREADY POSSESS.
>> Israel doesn't send an army. It simply does what it did to Saddam - remove the nuke threat, set them back, and be done with it.
It should be fucking obvious at this point that Iran, Syria, et c. are now prepared to fight to the death. After seeing what happened to Iraq, they'd be goddamned idiots not to. If Israel bombs Iran -
Iran bombs Diamona. Syria attacks. Hezbollah invades and seizes several N. Israel towns before Tel Aviv can stage a counteroffensive. Jordan falls to revolution. Egypt falls to revolution. Dubai implodes.
Iran today is not Iraq 1980 anymore so than the United States today is Mexico 1930. BUT THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER AND MUSLIN THEY MUST BE WEAKz@
According to the geniuses who run the world, Israel should wait until its enemies more than possess enough power (read: nukes) to wipe it from the planet. Only after it's attacked would it maybe have enough moral ground to defend itself.
Then again, seeing the UN, they don't want Israel to exist either. And we tolerate these tools on our soil why?
But of course, Obammy wants to disarm our nukes. Shrewd.
Israel's days are numbered. Not because of military threats. Simple demographics man. Just a matter of time.
Will it happen when the arab-israelis are 2/3 of the population? 90% of the population? The military nuts always say it's their grand actions when it just comes down to who has the most babies.
On that note, that's why the world is f***ed since the most unsustainable practices win out over sustainability. It's the prisoner's dilemma.
But there's a deeper question here Keith and that is the concept of just war and preemptive war. What you are proposing here is that Israel has the right to attack and invade Iran over a thought crime. Iran has never been aggressive towards Israel or the USA. The opposite is true.
I asked you a question and in your typically selective way you ignore it. Are you familiar with the CIA overthrow of Mossadeq and it's training and sponsoring of the Iranian secret police, SAVAK? Are you aware that the USA openly admits to false flag attacks in Iran to this day?
Unfortunately, it's become clear to me that you are anything but a scientific and logical thinker, Keith. You are far more an emotional and reactive thinker. Hence your support of global warming, Obama and now war with Iran.
Keith is starting to sound a lot like a NEOCON now that he supports Obama.
Let me see. Invading Iraq and killing over a million civilians over an imaginary threat of a "mushroom cloud" is bad because Bush did it.
Invading Iran and killing probably many more millions of civilians over an imaginary threat of a "mushroom cloud" is good.
Wow, that's some consistency of thought there Keith. Very "scientific".
Do you even know that Israel was involved with 9/11? Do you know that Israeli spies were captured on 9/11 in New York, celebrating the collapse of the towers? Do you know about the Israeli spy rings uncovered shortly before 9/11?
You can call me a 9/11 Truther all you like but if you can't explain these issues then all I can say is *you* are the delusional one with inconsistencies in *your* world view.
If we or Israel weren't under constant *threat of attack* at all times, how could we justify spending HUNDREDS OF BILLION$ on our bloated security-related federal bureauocracies and their MIC benefactors.
Not one person on this board has a true understanding of Israels challenges.
Trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars (Oil money) is spent yearly to demonize Israel, for the purpose of creating a common enemy to the poor Arab masses and avoid the chance of loosing control of the only source of revenue stream..
This incredibly large and sophisticated effort by super rich tyrants has totally distorted the facts and realities.
Sounds like many here are pretty tolerant of the hate speech and genocidal goals of Ahmedinejad.
I am all for the 2 state solution. I am shocked at the statements and intentions of Ahmedinejad. Hey I read the entire speech and I don't see anything that implies Iran intends to attack Israel or where Ahmedinejad threatens Israel with violence? Could you point that part out for me?
Since when does criticism of Israel's treatment of the Palestinian people constitute a threat?
I thought the speech was an excellent speech against what we call "The New World Order" or the tyranny of elite financiers and corporations. He called out Zionists not Jews. There's a big difference and if you don't understand the difference look it up!
His speech had a lot more content than your typical empty platitude Obama speech.
The only thing I didn't like about the speech is how he blames capitalism which in it's simplest form is the free trade of goods and services. What he should have blamed is fraud, corruption and crony capitalism.
Anyway, that's all I have to say on this until one of you can present a more cohesive argument than
"Ahmedinejad is crazy! Iran is evil! Bomb bomb bomb Iran!!"
"Trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars (Oil money) is spent yearly to demonize Israel, for the purpose of creating a common enemy to the poor Arab masses and avoid the chance of loosing control of the only source of revenue stream."
Filtered Reality you have been totally brainwashed, open your damn brain and try to comprehend the truth:
"Trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars (Oil money) is spent yearly to demonize Muslims, for the purpose of creating a common enemy to the poor American masses and avoid the chance of loosing control of the only source of maintaining this debt riddled empire."
By SEAN YOONG The Associated Press Thursday, August 3, 2006; 10:49 AM
PUTRAJAYA, Malaysia -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Thursday the solution to the Middle East crisis is to destroy Israel. In a speech during an emergency meeting of Muslim leaders, Ahmadinejad also called for an immediate halt to fighting in Lebanon between Israel and the Iranian-backed militant group Hezbollah.
"Although the main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime, at this stage an immediate cease-fire must be implemented," he said.
Ahmadinejad, who has drawn international condemnation with previous calls for Israel to be wiped off the map, said the Middle East would be better off "without the existence of the Zionist regime."
Israel "is an illegitimate regime, there is no legal basis for its existence," he said.
>>"Although the main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime, at this stage an immediate cease-fire must be implemented," he said.
I would also like to see the Zionist regime peacefully deposed. It does not represent HALF the population between the Jordan and Mediterranean. I would like to see the Zionist regime replaced by an inclusive government that has representatives from all over Israel and the Palestinian territory, composed of both Arab and Jewish MPs. I agree totally with Ahmedinejad here.
>>"Although the main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime, at this stage an immediate cease-fire must be implemented," he said.
Let me get this straight - he calls for the destruction of Israel by requesting a ceasefire?
WAR IS PEACE. FREEDOM IS SLAVERY. CEASEFIRES ARE DECLARATIONS OF WAR
Can we just bomb an Iranian aspirin factory so Obama can complete his Commander in Chief initiation and get this requisite rite-of-passage out of the way before thousands of 'collateral damaged' civilians are killed?
PUTRAJAYA, Malaysia -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Thursday the solution to the Middle East crisis is to destroy Israel. In a speech during an emergency meeting of Muslim leaders, Ahmadinejad also called for an immediate halt to fighting in Lebanon between Israel and the Iranian-backed militant group Hezbollah.
"Although the main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime, at this stage an immediate cease-fire must be implemented," he said..
Read carefully. The quote is "elimination of the Zionist regime". The reporter misrepresents that quote and interprets it as "destroy Israel".
This quote has been the entire source of claiming that Iran is a nation hell bent on destroying Israel which just goes to show how pervasive propaganda is in the mainstream media.
Don't forget. This is the same mainstream media that unquestioningly delivered the lies of the Bush regime on WMDs in Iraq.
All Ahmedinejad is saying is elimination of the Zionist regime not the destruction of Israel. That is the equivalent of saying the elimination of the Neoconservative regime in the USA not the destruction of the USA.
You got this one right Keith. I normally disagree with you but you've nailed this one. Expect Israel to bomb Iran within 60 days. And we WON'T be going to help. Expect gas prices to shoot through the roof and terrorist attacks on our own soil.
Bomb the shit out of their nuclear sites . Everyone who is not threatened by their promise to be annihilated ,needs to shut up. Not your fight . Please ! do you really think this tiny nation wants to pick a fight for no good reason when it is completely surrounded by enemies .Islam is a religion of hate an Muhammad was a pedophile and that is a fact.
Nothing like the fantasy of a good bombing far far away from here to lift our spirits and make us forget that we are personally and collectively broken and bankrupt.
I just hope they brand the bombs Made in USG. United States of GoldmanSachs.
Anyone who used the word Zionist needs to fuck off back to alex jones anti semitic propaganda conspiracy theorist site where any and everything that your leader says is truth unquestioned.
Iran is the side show. The next war that is about to bite Obama on the ass is Pakistan. There is no way we can allow Taliban loyalists to get hold of a couple dozen nukes, and Mr. "end the illegal war" is going to have to intervene militarily in a big way.
My guess is Israel will use this chaos in Pakistan as cover to swat Iran. People don't realize how close we are to WWIII, and $200/bbl oil.
Ahmedinejad sometimes makes reasonable/rational sense, other times he's a raving lunatic.
Could be the rank-'n'-file Napolean Complex, and/or the lesser known Frustrated Precocious Little Boy Complex, and/or Full-Blown Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Ok, forget all that. In a position such as his, just label him "Very Fucking Dangerous."
Not one person on this board has a true understanding of Israels challenges.
Trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars (Oil money) is spent yearly to demonize Israel, for the purpose of creating a common enemy to the poor Arab masses and avoid the chance of loosing control of the only source of revenue stream..
This incredibly large and sophisticated effort by super rich tyrants has totally distorted the facts and realities.
April 21, 2009 9:56 PM
Israel's challenges? The Israeli Zionist extremists are no different from fundamentalist Muslims! It's not that one side is right and the other one is wrong. It's that both are wrong. I as an American resent the fact all the time, Israel is portrayed as the "victim" while Palestinians are always the "bad guys".
Also, for anyone who doesn't understand the view point of Palestinians, how would you like it if another group of people threw you out of your own house and took away your land and right to live there? And then to add insult to injury, the rest of the world went right along with it! Now, does that justify them engaging in acts of suicide killing? Of course not, but it doesn't justify Israel taking away their land in the first place either!
At least that would take care of the overpopulation problem in the middle east. It would also distract from financial meltdown and stabilize the oil price. What the hell, lets go for it!...quick before we can figure out what could possibly go wrong. Brilliant idea Keith, really brilliant!
Sorry, he has a point. Say what you will, but it's true. What would the Israelis be saying about other nationalities that treated their citizens the way they do the Palestinians. Oh, they'd have every human rights lawyer screaming... while building 'tolerance memorials' over over the place. Hypocrites. They treat the Pals worse than 3rd world animals. We can guess their memorials are meant to reflect only the rights of their 'own people'.
Don't give me the 'they did it first' routine. Aren't they supposed to know better by now? They certainly expect all others to do so. Hypocrites. Masters in double standards. And they wonder why the world can't stand them.
Perfect. We Christian Zionists here in America have been waiting for this.
Start WW III an' Jesus will come in his final glory. We need the Jews ta support the Anti-Christ during Armageddon. After they are crushed Christ will reign paradise with his true faithful. Alleluia praise the Lord!
Only the leftwing nuts on this site can dismiss what Iran has said about Israel for the last 30 years, and in particular, the last 10.
they call Israel a racist country...hmmm, i wonder why they don't say the same about the arab countries. no one can practice religion freely there (yes, i know the socialists don't care about that). you can't convert out of islam (or this)...if you do, you are killed. i know of no jews in the iranian government, while i do know of arabs who are in the israeli government (just done to appease the arabs, the socialists say). racist? hmmm...i wonder why israel air lifted all those black ethiopians to the country.
hundreds of millions of muslims live in the middle east vs. 6 million jews in israel. it's an abomination that the socialists on this site support iran. but they are notoriously anti-israel and anti-jewish so it's really not a surprise.
israel should have taken out iran long ago. i hope it isn't too late. just imagine what happens when it gives the bomb to the terrorists. the u.s. needs to stay out of this fight, as do all the other pussy nations of the world who want to trade with iran.
whether the socialists (a/k/a jew haters) here like it or not, israel will do what it has to do. and when it is finished, they can cry their eyes out that a nuke facility operated by a hateful nation has been destroyed.
it's amazing that the same socialists who don't want nuke plants here in America are so tolerant of a fanatical regime having them. it only goes to show you how anti-jewish they are.
Impressive debate going on. If there were more of you debating like this, we would have avoided the Iraq war. And if there was more wisdom in US foreign policy, several other tragedies would have been averted.
BTW, I also agree with the comment that the state of Israel is a racist state. It is just a simple fact !!!
Jimmy Carter holds a similar view BTW... Shall we ask Israel to bomb us as well ?
Be very, very careful with what you wish for. The situation is "complicated" and we are being shown a distorted view. The Arab world needs respect, and Americans thinking they know all the answers (eg simply "Bomb Iran") is not helping. The unintended consequences are many. History tells us that religious wars cause great suffering, they need to be avoided if at all possible.
Keith -- get over yourself and stick to housing and economy.
Israel to bomb Iran -- is that what you really want? What Israel starts the US would need to finish. Is that what you want US war with Iran?! Stupid.
P.S. The real racists revealed themselves by boycotting UN conference on racism. Yes, Europe, US, anglos, israel. Quite rich really. Did you read the full transcript of Iran (didn't think so)?
zionist vision of Israel = racism. I say evacuate Israel to US and call it a day. (not really, but it "solve" the I/P problem)
Also, for anyone who doesn't understand the view point of Palestinians.
The word Palestinian was a derogatory word used to humiliate the Jew .This was long before the so called modern day Palestinians Your history is incorrect if you assume that the modern day Palestinian is the original inhabitant of Israel . actually it was the Philistine's who no longer exist .And even if the Palestinian had a true historical valid claim fuck them they lost , Deal with it .Like the rest of the world ,let the kind hearted Muslim world who are full of charitable deeds and get along so well with each other absorb them into the Arab world . GO ISRAEL !!!!DO WHAT YOU NEED TO BECAUSE THE HYPOCRITICAL WORLD WILL STAND ASIDE AGAIN AND WATCH WHILE YOU SYSTEMATICALY MURDERED.
So the population of Israel is 7,184,000, and the population of Iran is 65,875,224, these are 2008 figures.Nope, if you put the population in Los Angeles, New York, and Florida, its population reaches much more than your initial number. I'm not even counting Europe and other states!
Jews are the original inhabitants of Israel and the original Palestinians. When the Romans destroyed Israel around the time of Jesus, they renamed it "Palestine" as an insult to the Jews (Palestine is a bastardization of the term "Philistine", which was a group of people living in what is now Gaza; the biblical "Goliath" that David killed with a slingshot was a Philistine).
This is all history; all fact. Israel existed as a country for over a thousand years; and Jews lived there en mass for many hundreds of years after the country was sacked; Jews have always lived in Israel since it was founded around 1200 BC. What's more, the Arabs never had a country there.
When Jews started to go back to Israel (Palestine) in the late 19th century a lot of Arabs followed them because the Jews created a vibrant economy. The Arabs came from all over the Middle East to take advantage of the Jewish economy (like Mexicans coming to America today). The vast majority of those Arabs claimed they were living there for thousands of years, which is just a lie.
Israel is the land for Jews. It's their land. The Arabs come from a place called Arabia (now called Saudi Arabia). And the Arabs of Israel should go back there, or to the other countries they came from. They have only forty or fifty miles to go and they will be with their own people, speaking their own language, practicing their own medieval religion, engaging in honor killings and wife beatings, and all the other good things their culture and religion brings to their community.
Oh, and Israel should nuke Tehran and all the nuke sites.
Anybody make a connection between Iran holding that female reporter hostage and Israel's plan to bomb that country?...They're using her as leverage to force us to stop Israel.
anon 3:12 am "Oh, and Israel should nuke Tehran and all the nuke sites." Somebody should nuke you, retard! "Jews are the original inhabitants of Israel..." North American Indians are the original inhabitants of North America. And? They gave up their land or got run off or taken over. Such is history. "... practicing their own medieval religion, engaging in honor killings and wife beatings, and all the other good things their culture and religion brings to their community." I am no fan of muslim religion or customs, but at least they're running no concentration camps like Israel.
Yoski let me guess you have never even been to Israel . I Have many times , must have missed the camps . Go practice your freedom of bullshit speech in any arab country then let me know how it worked out for you..
-----anon 3:12 am "Oh, and Israel should nuke Tehran and all the nuke sites." Somebody should nuke you, retard! "Jews are the original inhabitants of Israel..." North American Indians are the original inhabitants of North America. And? They gave up their land or got run off or taken over. Such is history. "... practicing their own medieval religion, engaging in honor killings and wife beatings, and all the other good things their culture and religion brings to their community." I am no fan of muslim religion or customs, but at least they're running no concentration camps like Israel.---
Hmmmm, so you do argue that who ver now holds the land strongly (the USA vs native americans, Israel vs the Would-be-Palestinians) should keep it.
How was it said in princess bride... "you keeping using those words, concentrations camps. I do no theeenk you know what they reeeeally mean"
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O fucking please. The same people who control the banking system and the prison system and the school system are controlling the propaganda demonization of Iran. I happen to believe Ahmedinejad is an idiot playing to his evangelical, religious, ignorant base. But that is no reason to START a war against 80 million people, with differing ideas and emotions and dreams. You are a god-damned idiot for comparing Ahmedinejad to Hitler, as Ahmedinejad does not actually have the distinction of killing ANY Jews or building ANY concentration camps. Which is more than can be said for Israel. In this post-1984 world, one need not actually be guilty to be convicted.
Huh?
What kind of misinformed simplistic diatribe are you spouting this time, Keith?
Israel sparking WWIII with Iran?
Look, I don't like Iran but please stop and think before you start saying Israel should start bombing a nation of 70 million people.
What Alhmedinijad says is true. Israel is the most racist nation on the planet today. Do you even remember what happened in Gaza just a few months ago?
Do you even know the history of US-Iranian relations? Mossadeq and the Shah of Iran, the CIA and it's Iranian off-shoot SAVAK?
"Send the planes, Israel" is all you have to say. Yeah, that's really intelligent debate Keith. Let's start WWIII over some misrepresented comments by a country that has no nukes when Israel is armed to the teeth with over 300 nukes.
That's smart Keith. Real "scientific" as you like to say.
-Gonzo
The National Security Complex wants us to give our undivided attention to the *threat* of Iran.
What nefarious scheme have they already concocted to exploit and capitalize on this over-hyped *terrorist* freak show?
You can bet the plans are on the shelf waiting...
Waiting for the MSM to *sell* this bogus threat to a financially- traumatized nation.
Osama isn't selling well these days, so Ahmadinejad is the go-to man.
BTW, is Ahmadinejad a CIA 'plant' too?
WSJ -- WASHINGTON – Rep. Jane Harman (D) asked the Justice Department to release transcripts of her recorded conversations following published reports she was caught on tape agreeing to seek leniency for two pro-Israeli lobbyists under investigation for espionage.
According to the published accounts, first reported by Congressional Quarterly, Ms. Harman appears to agree to push for leniency for the two employees of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee in exchange for help gaining the chairmanship of the intelligence committee. The recordings were reportedly made by the National Security Agency. It isn't clear precisely what the agency was monitoring.
In the transcripts, Ms. Harman was reportedly told that a major Democratic donor could be convinced to cut off contributions to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in order to pressure the speaker to give Ms. Harman the intelligence chair. Ms. Harman failed to get the intelligence post after a fight within the Democratic caucus and now heads a subcommittee.
In her letter to Mr. Holder, Ms. Harman doesn't deny speaking to advocates for the AIPAC lobbyists.Oh yeah, the Israelis are your friends...
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It's not just Ahmedinejad, it's the the 80 million Iranians who have a differing idea if Israel, or even Israeli people should exist. The leaders are only as dangerous as the the people they rule.
They have to send the planes at some point. It will be an absolute ass kicking over quickly in typical muslim military style.
My prediction is it happens before the 4th of July.
Tick, tick, tick...
The full transcript. Just imagine Jesus said this and you'll magically agree with it all of a sudden.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8010747.stm
Anon said....O fucking please. The same people who control the banking system and the prison system and the school system are controlling the propaganda demonization of Iran.
Do they control the words that come out of this mans mouth too.
You are very ignorant of the fundamental teachings of Islam that this man and his moolas take very seriously. Make no mistake
islam means submission (to allah) and they will stop at nothing ,if anything the media panders to them lest we have a dutch cartoon episode on our hands.Grow up and face the fact that Hitler types have will and do exist .
Secondly you know nothing of the true facts of the so called Palestinian struggle other than what has be spoon fed to you.
Go to any middle east country and demand the same level tolerance that we afford people of Arab descent in this country.
Yep, you keep reading and following these "experts" on The New York Times, CNN, MSNBC, etc:
Last week, New York Times personal finance columnist Ron Lieber discovered that his family's financial planner was being investigated for fraud, because millions of dollars had been transferred out of clients' accounts without authorization. What's funny is Lieber found the financial planner while writing a column on how to comparison shop for one.
"We liked Mr. Weitzman's advice and demeanor," he writes.Don't trust media!!!
O fucking please. The same people who control the banking system and the prison system and the school system are controlling the propaganda demonization of Iran. I happen to believe Ahmedinejad is an idiot playing to his evangelical, religious, ignorant base.
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ok, i happen to agree with your assessment of Ahmed. what happens when iran gets the bomb? will Ahmed then become smart and stand up to the religious leaders and prevent them from nuking israel?
"differing ideas and emotions"
you got that right. the leaders want to wipe israel of the map. that certainly is a differing idea, well, maybe they share that one with rabid liberals in this country.
December 2008
O Hell yeh! Some silly dude in a bad suit makes a speech that points out that perhaps all is not well with the State of Israel, so of course we must go to war. As if that were enough to turn the Persian gulf into a lake of burning tankers. Cut us off from a quarter of our oil supply for god knows how long, just because the Pres of Iran called Israel a bunch of lying fu#kers.
Great.
Sounds like fun, launch the strike.
- Snowden
You have a problem when an asshole calls a spade a spade?
Keith, you are woefully ignorant on the Israel/Iran situation. Israel has the largest nuclear arsenal in the middle east and pose a much greater threat to world peace than Iran. Why don't you talk about all of the Israel spying going goin on in the USA and the influence of AIPAC on our government?
Israel has been threatened with destruction. And now that threat is closer than they ever were to having the power to make that happen.
Time for Israel to take care of Israel's business.
No WWIII here. Who comes rushing to Iran's side?
(sound of crickets chirping)
Israel doesn't send an army. It simply does what it did to Saddam - remove the nuke threat, set them back, and be done with it.
I DON'T LIKE Ahmedinejad.
he is a religious nuts, he supports death penalty for gays and many more nasty things to be mentioned.
BUT saying that israel is a racist state is pure truth. You might not agree with his view, just like i don't agree ALL the rest of his preaching.
But suggesting that iran should be bombed because his president just expressed his opinion is beyond shameful.
So much for "freedom of speech" ... now even a not mainsream OPINION is a sin...
Kevin:Israel has been threatened with destruction.
I WILL ANNIHILATE YOU HEATHEN SWINE.
Now quick - send heavily armed aircraft to bomb the shit out of Santa Cruz, CA and make sure you kill a whole bunch of civilians.
I mean, obviously our choices are a) Let Iran nuke Israel or b) Bomb the shit out of Iran. It is plain as day that there are only two options and those are the only two options that exist.
Get a clue. If Iran wanted to make Israel uninhabitable, THEY COULD AT THIS INSTANT. If they were willing to sacrifice themselves for it they would have ALREADY DONE SO. Syria has the most vile and comprehensive chem/bio weapons program on Earth. Israel would blink out tonight if they were really so willing. This atom bomb crap is NONSENSE. A shitty h-bomb is nothing compared to the horrors they ALREADY POSSESS.
Why is tiny Israel left to deal with this monster by herself?
Are there no good people left on this planet
Is everyone sooo friggin selfish that they wont even speak out unless it touches them personally
Have humans not learned a thing from the past?
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Shame on you world!!
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Israel doesn't send an army. It simply does what it did to Saddam - remove the nuke threat, set them back, and be done with it.
It should be fucking obvious at this point that Iran, Syria, et c. are now prepared to fight to the death. After seeing what happened to Iraq, they'd be goddamned idiots not to. If Israel bombs Iran -
Iran bombs Diamona.
Syria attacks.
Hezbollah invades and seizes several N. Israel towns before Tel Aviv can stage a counteroffensive.
Jordan falls to revolution.
Egypt falls to revolution.
Dubai implodes.
Iran today is not Iraq 1980 anymore so than the United States today is Mexico 1930. BUT THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER AND MUSLIN THEY MUST BE WEAKz@
Fuckin imbecility.
Ya, baby.
According to the geniuses who run the world, Israel should wait until its enemies more than possess enough power (read: nukes) to wipe it from the planet. Only after it's attacked would it maybe have enough moral ground to defend itself.
Then again, seeing the UN, they don't want Israel to exist either. And we tolerate these tools on our soil why?
But of course, Obammy wants to disarm our nukes. Shrewd.
Israel's days are numbered. Not because of military threats. Simple demographics man. Just a matter of time.
Will it happen when the arab-israelis are 2/3 of the population? 90% of the population? The military nuts always say it's their grand actions when it just comes down to who has the most babies.
On that note, that's why the world is f***ed since the most unsustainable practices win out over sustainability. It's the prisoner's dilemma.
No WWIII here. Who comes rushing to Iran's side?
(sound of crickets chirping)Can you say Russia?
But there's a deeper question here Keith and that is the concept of just war and preemptive war. What you are proposing here is that Israel has the right to attack and invade Iran over a thought crime. Iran has never been aggressive towards Israel or the USA. The opposite is true.
I asked you a question and in your typically selective way you ignore it. Are you familiar with the CIA overthrow of Mossadeq and it's training and sponsoring of the Iranian secret police, SAVAK? Are you aware that the USA openly admits to false flag attacks in Iran to this day?
Unfortunately, it's become clear to me that you are anything but a scientific and logical thinker, Keith. You are far more an emotional and reactive thinker. Hence your support of global warming, Obama and now war with Iran.
-Gonzo
Muslims cannot expect others to respect their lives more then they do themselves.
Any culture or society that encourages suicide bombers (AKA homicidal maniacs) has lost its privilege to ask others to recognize them as human equals.
Keith is starting to sound a lot like a NEOCON now that he supports Obama.
Let me see. Invading Iraq and killing over a million civilians over an imaginary threat of a "mushroom cloud" is bad because Bush did it.
Invading Iran and killing probably many more millions of civilians over an imaginary threat of a "mushroom cloud" is good.
Wow, that's some consistency of thought there Keith. Very "scientific".
Do you even know that Israel was involved with 9/11? Do you know that Israeli spies were captured on 9/11 in New York, celebrating the collapse of the towers? Do you know about the Israeli spy rings uncovered shortly before 9/11?
You can call me a 9/11 Truther all you like but if you can't explain these issues then all I can say is *you* are the delusional one with inconsistencies in *your* world view.
This film covers the Israeli connection to 9/11.
Fabled Enemies (Full Length)-Gonzo
Sounds like many here are pretty tolerant of the hate speech and genocidal goals of Ahmedinejad.
I am all for the 2 state solution. I am shocked at the statements and intentions of Ahmedinejad.
One can be too tolerant of the intolerant. And then what do you end up with? Don't think your number won't come up.
Someone said we are in a clash not between civilizations, but between the civilized and the uncivilized. I know who I would rather live next to.
How is Israel going to be able to physically fly a bomber to Iran without the approval to enter the airspace of another nation?
Which nation would survive granting that approval?
If approval is not granted, how is Israel not an aggressor against not just Iran but also that nation?
I hear the Israelis have pretty good special forces.
Just ask yourself one question...
If we or Israel weren't under constant *threat of attack* at all times, how could we justify spending HUNDREDS OF BILLION$ on our bloated security-related federal bureauocracies and their MIC benefactors.
It's a friggin scam, people!
Don't buy the hype...
Fact:
Not one person on this board has a true understanding of Israels challenges.
Trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars (Oil money) is spent yearly to demonize Israel, for the purpose of creating a common enemy to the poor Arab masses and avoid the chance of loosing control of the only source of revenue stream..
This incredibly large and sophisticated effort by super rich tyrants has totally distorted the facts and realities.
Sounds like many here are pretty tolerant of the hate speech and genocidal goals of Ahmedinejad.
I am all for the 2 state solution. I am shocked at the statements and intentions of Ahmedinejad. Hey I read the entire speech and I don't see anything that implies Iran intends to attack Israel or where Ahmedinejad threatens Israel with violence? Could you point that part out for me?
Since when does criticism of Israel's treatment of the Palestinian people constitute a threat?
I thought the speech was an excellent speech against what we call "The New World Order" or the tyranny of elite financiers and corporations. He called out Zionists not Jews. There's a big difference and if you don't understand the difference look it up!
His speech had a lot more content than your typical empty platitude Obama speech.
The only thing I didn't like about the speech is how he blames capitalism which in it's simplest form is the free trade of goods and services. What he should have blamed is fraud, corruption and crony capitalism.
Anyway, that's all I have to say on this until one of you can present a more cohesive argument than
"Ahmedinejad is crazy! Iran is evil! Bomb bomb bomb Iran!!"
You're all starting to sound like John McCain.
-Gonzo
"Trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars (Oil money) is spent yearly to demonize Israel, for the purpose of creating a common enemy to the poor Arab masses and avoid the chance of loosing control of the only source of revenue stream."
Filtered Reality you have been totally brainwashed, open your damn brain and try to comprehend the truth:
"Trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars (Oil money) is spent yearly to demonize Muslims, for the purpose of creating a common enemy to the poor American masses and avoid the chance of loosing control of the only source of maintaining this debt riddled empire."
(BTW Keith, dumbest post ever dude.)
Ahmadinejad: Destroy Israel, End Crisis
By SEAN YOONG
The Associated Press
Thursday, August 3, 2006; 10:49 AM
PUTRAJAYA, Malaysia -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Thursday the solution to the Middle East crisis is to destroy Israel. In a speech during an emergency meeting of Muslim leaders, Ahmadinejad also called for an immediate halt to fighting in Lebanon between Israel and the Iranian-backed militant group Hezbollah.
"Although the main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime, at this stage an immediate cease-fire must be implemented," he said.
Ahmadinejad, who has drawn international condemnation with previous calls for Israel to be wiped off the map, said the Middle East would be better off "without the existence of the Zionist regime."
Israel "is an illegitimate regime, there is no legal basis for its existence," he said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/03/AR2006080300629.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wrath_of_God
>>"Although the main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime, at this stage an immediate cease-fire must be implemented," he said.
I would also like to see the Zionist regime peacefully deposed. It does not represent HALF the population between the Jordan and Mediterranean. I would like to see the Zionist regime replaced by an inclusive government that has representatives from all over Israel and the Palestinian territory, composed of both Arab and Jewish MPs. I agree totally with Ahmedinejad here.
>>"Although the main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime, at this stage an immediate cease-fire must be implemented," he said.
Let me get this straight - he calls for the destruction of Israel by requesting a ceasefire?
WAR IS PEACE. FREEDOM IS SLAVERY. CEASEFIRES ARE DECLARATIONS OF WAR
Can we just bomb an Iranian aspirin factory so Obama can complete his Commander in Chief initiation and get this requisite rite-of-passage out of the way before thousands of 'collateral damaged' civilians are killed?
I agree with you, Keith!
By the way, buy the Koran while you're at it. Coz it needs to be studied by all of us, if we want to understand islam.
PUTRAJAYA, Malaysia -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Thursday the solution to the Middle East crisis is to destroy Israel. In a speech during an emergency meeting of Muslim leaders, Ahmadinejad also called for an immediate halt to fighting in Lebanon between Israel and the Iranian-backed militant group Hezbollah.
"Although the main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime, at this stage an immediate cease-fire must be implemented," he said..
Read carefully. The quote is "elimination of the Zionist regime". The reporter misrepresents that quote and interprets it as "destroy Israel".
This quote has been the entire source of claiming that Iran is a nation hell bent on destroying Israel which just goes to show how pervasive propaganda is in the mainstream media.
Don't forget. This is the same mainstream media that unquestioningly delivered the lies of the Bush regime on WMDs in Iraq.
All Ahmedinejad is saying is elimination of the Zionist regime not the destruction of Israel. That is the equivalent of saying the elimination of the Neoconservative regime in the USA not the destruction of the USA.
Do you people have any discernment?
-Gonzo
"...Why is tiny Israel left to deal with this monster by herself?..."Heh; that was a good one.
If only the capitol were Tel Aviv, instead of Washington DC.
I remember the first time I heard of SAVAK; a little over 30 years ago. Asked out a stunner who was here going to school.
Turned me down; said it was because "they are watching."
You got this one right Keith. I normally disagree with you but you've nailed this one. Expect Israel to bomb Iran within 60 days. And we WON'T be going to help. Expect gas prices to shoot through the roof and terrorist attacks on our own soil.
You heard it here first.
Bomb the shit out of their nuclear sites . Everyone who is not threatened by their promise to be annihilated ,needs to shut up. Not your fight . Please ! do you really think this tiny nation wants to pick a fight for no good reason when it is completely surrounded by enemies .Islam is a religion of hate an Muhammad was a pedophile and that is a fact.
Nothing like the fantasy of a good bombing far far away from here to lift our spirits and make us forget that we are personally and collectively broken and bankrupt.
I just hope they brand the bombs Made in USG. United States of GoldmanSachs.
Now, lets go kick some ass people.
Anyone who used the word Zionist needs to fuck off back to alex jones anti semitic propaganda conspiracy theorist site where any and everything that your leader says is truth unquestioned.
WHATEVER you do, Do Not trust the USA.
Turd World Nation of Nothing and Corruption of Everything.
Calling for the "elimination of a regime" and calling for an "immediate cease fire" sounds quite a bit like you Keith.
Kind of like when you say stuff like...
"Vote all the incumbents out."
Why does everybody feel the need to side with one or the other?
Can't we just admit that they are both wrong?
Oh...sorry...question anything "Jewish" and suddenly you are an anti-semetic nazi.
Yeah...now I get it.
Jew good.
Everybody else bad.
Iran is the side show. The next war that is about to bite Obama on the ass is Pakistan. There is no way we can allow Taliban loyalists to get hold of a couple dozen nukes, and Mr. "end the illegal war" is going to have to intervene militarily in a big way.
My guess is Israel will use this chaos in Pakistan as cover to swat Iran. People don't realize how close we are to WWIII, and $200/bbl oil.
Yes of course "eliminate Israel with a nucleur bomb" is different from "destroy Israel with a nucleur bomb".
Unbelievable! Now just how is that different?
OT, Keith you should bring back HP this whole housing meltdown mess is just getting started.
We aren't ready to reinvent America yet!
Keith said...
No WWIII here. Who comes rushing to Iran's side?
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Uh...How about Russia?
RayNLA
Ahmedinejad sometimes makes reasonable/rational sense, other times he's a raving lunatic.
Could be the rank-'n'-file Napolean Complex, and/or the lesser known Frustrated Precocious Little Boy Complex, and/or Full-Blown Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Ok, forget all that. In a position such as his, just label him "Very Fucking Dangerous."
Anonymous filtered reality said...
Fact:
Not one person on this board has a true understanding of Israels challenges.
Trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars (Oil money) is spent yearly to demonize Israel, for the purpose of creating a common enemy to the poor Arab masses and avoid the chance of loosing control of the only source of revenue stream..
This incredibly large and sophisticated effort by super rich tyrants has totally distorted the facts and realities.
April 21, 2009 9:56 PM
Israel's challenges? The Israeli Zionist extremists are no different from fundamentalist Muslims! It's not that one side is right and the other one is wrong. It's that both are wrong. I as an American resent the fact all the time, Israel is portrayed as the "victim" while Palestinians are always the "bad guys".
Also, for anyone who doesn't understand the view point of Palestinians, how would you like it if another group of people threw you out of your own house and took away your land and right to live there? And then to add insult to injury, the rest of the world went right along with it! Now, does that justify them engaging in acts of suicide killing? Of course not, but it doesn't justify Israel taking away their land in the first place either!
Come on Keith - you are long oil aren't you.
Let's kill some Iranian women and children and drive up the price.
Go USO DBO DXO OIL DBE
Go Barrak O'Bomber
Hormuz! Hormuz! Hormuz!
At least that would take care of the overpopulation problem in the middle east. It would also distract from financial meltdown and stabilize the oil price. What the hell, lets go for it!...quick before we can figure out what could possibly go wrong. Brilliant idea Keith, really brilliant!
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America?
What the Hell were you thinking?
Voting for B Husein Obama?
He is Anti-Israel along with Clinton!
Israel will go at it alone,
And will Triumph!
The Nation of Israel will not be obliterated
Read your Bible
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"the most cruel and repressive racist regime"
Sorry, he has a point. Say what you will, but it's true. What would the Israelis be saying about other nationalities that treated their citizens the way they do the Palestinians. Oh, they'd have every human rights lawyer screaming... while building 'tolerance memorials' over over the place. Hypocrites. They treat the Pals worse than 3rd world animals. We can guess their memorials are meant to reflect only the rights of their 'own people'.
Don't give me the 'they did it first' routine. Aren't they supposed to know better by now? They certainly expect all others to do so. Hypocrites. Masters in double standards. And they wonder why the world can't stand them.
Perfect. We Christian Zionists here in America have been waiting for this.
Start WW III an' Jesus will come in his final glory. We need the Jews ta support the Anti-Christ during Armageddon. After they are crushed Christ will reign paradise with his true faithful. Alleluia praise the Lord!
Only the leftwing nuts on this site can dismiss what Iran has said about Israel for the last 30 years, and in particular, the last 10.
they call Israel a racist country...hmmm, i wonder why they don't say the same about the arab countries. no one can practice religion freely there (yes, i know the socialists don't care about that). you can't convert out of islam (or this)...if you do, you are killed. i know of no jews in the iranian government, while i do know of arabs who are in the israeli government (just done to appease the arabs, the socialists say). racist? hmmm...i wonder why israel air lifted all those black ethiopians to the country.
hundreds of millions of muslims live in the middle east vs. 6 million jews in israel. it's an abomination that the socialists on this site support iran. but they are notoriously anti-israel and anti-jewish so it's really not a surprise.
israel should have taken out iran long ago. i hope it isn't too late. just imagine what happens when it gives the bomb to the terrorists. the u.s. needs to stay out of this fight, as do all the other pussy nations of the world who want to trade with iran.
whether the socialists (a/k/a jew haters) here like it or not, israel will do what it has to do. and when it is finished, they can cry their eyes out that a nuke facility operated by a hateful nation has been destroyed.
it's amazing that the same socialists who don't want nuke plants here in America are so tolerant of a fanatical regime having them. it only goes to show you how anti-jewish they are.
Just like destroying the baathist regime rather than destroying the Iraqi people or the taliban regime instead of the afghanis? Those were OK, right?
I'd prefer that Iran remains standing while Israel kicks the bucket.
Impressive debate going on. If there were more of you debating like this, we would have avoided the Iraq war. And if there was more wisdom in US foreign policy, several other tragedies would have been averted.
BTW, I also agree with the comment that the state of Israel is a racist state. It is just a simple fact !!!
Jimmy Carter holds a similar view BTW... Shall we ask Israel to bomb us as well ?
So the population of Israel is 7,184,000, and the population of Iran is 65,875,224, these are 2008 figures.
So, in the spirit of democracy, I say relocate the Israelis to the US and build a new city for them!
We have vast unused land in Utah, Arizona, Idaho, Montana, etc.
But then again, the defense dept. would lose their whipping boy against the Arabs and Persians.
And the oil queers would have to find a new way to screw us.
Keith,
Be very, very careful with what you wish for. The situation is "complicated" and we are being shown a distorted view. The Arab world needs respect, and Americans thinking they know all the answers (eg simply "Bomb Iran") is not helping. The unintended consequences are many. History tells us that religious wars cause great suffering, they need to be avoided if at all possible.
Hey, WWII pulled us out of the Great Depression. Maybe we should start WWIII and see what happens. What could possibly go wrong?
Keith -- get over yourself and stick to housing and economy.
Israel to bomb Iran -- is that what you really want? What Israel starts the US would need to finish. Is that what you want US war with Iran?! Stupid.
P.S. The real racists revealed themselves by boycotting UN conference on racism. Yes, Europe, US, anglos, israel. Quite rich really. Did you read the full transcript of Iran (didn't think so)?
zionist vision of Israel = racism.
I say evacuate Israel to US and call it a day. (not really, but it "solve" the I/P problem)
ANON SAID....
Also, for anyone who doesn't understand the view point of Palestinians.
The word Palestinian was a derogatory word used to humiliate the Jew .This was long before the so called modern day Palestinians Your history is incorrect if you assume that the modern day Palestinian is the original inhabitant of Israel . actually it was the Philistine's who no longer exist .And even if the Palestinian had a true historical valid claim fuck them they lost , Deal with it .Like the rest of the world ,let the kind hearted Muslim world who are full of charitable deeds and get along so well with each other absorb them into the Arab world . GO ISRAEL !!!!DO WHAT YOU NEED TO BECAUSE THE HYPOCRITICAL WORLD WILL STAND ASIDE AGAIN AND WATCH WHILE YOU SYSTEMATICALY MURDERED.
So the population of Israel is 7,184,000, and the population of Iran is 65,875,224, these are 2008 figures.Nope, if you put the population in Los Angeles, New York, and Florida, its population reaches much more than your initial number. I'm not even counting Europe and other states!
Hey, but if Israel initiates a war with Iran, who's going to take of the bazaar and the jewelry store?
Jews are the original inhabitants of Israel and the original Palestinians. When the Romans destroyed Israel around the time of Jesus, they renamed it "Palestine" as an insult to the Jews (Palestine is a bastardization of the term "Philistine", which was a group of people living in what is now Gaza; the biblical "Goliath" that David killed with a slingshot was a Philistine).
This is all history; all fact. Israel existed as a country for over a thousand years; and Jews lived there en mass for many hundreds of years after the country was sacked; Jews have always lived in Israel since it was founded around 1200 BC. What's more, the Arabs never had a country there.
When Jews started to go back to Israel (Palestine) in the late 19th century a lot of Arabs followed them because the Jews created a vibrant economy. The Arabs came from all over the Middle East to take advantage of the Jewish economy (like Mexicans coming to America today). The vast majority of those Arabs claimed they were living there for thousands of years, which is just a lie.
Israel is the land for Jews. It's their land. The Arabs come from a place called Arabia (now called Saudi Arabia). And the Arabs of Israel should go back there, or to the other countries they came from. They have only forty or fifty miles to go and they will be with their own people, speaking their own language, practicing their own medieval religion, engaging in honor killings and wife beatings, and all the other good things their culture and religion brings to their community.
Oh, and Israel should nuke Tehran and all the nuke sites.
Anybody make a connection between Iran holding that female reporter hostage and Israel's plan to bomb that country?...They're using her as leverage to force us to stop Israel.
anon 3:12 am
"Oh, and Israel should nuke Tehran and all the nuke sites."
Somebody should nuke you, retard!
"Jews are the original inhabitants of Israel..."
North American Indians are the original inhabitants of North America. And?
They gave up their land or got run off or taken over. Such is history.
"... practicing their own medieval religion, engaging in honor killings and wife beatings, and all the other good things their culture and religion brings to their community."
I am no fan of muslim religion or customs, but at least they're running no concentration camps like Israel.
Yoski let me guess you have never even been to Israel . I Have many times , must have missed the camps .
Go practice your freedom of bullshit speech in any arab country then let me know how it worked out for you..
-----anon 3:12 am
"Oh, and Israel should nuke Tehran and all the nuke sites."
Somebody should nuke you, retard!
"Jews are the original inhabitants of Israel..."
North American Indians are the original inhabitants of North America. And?
They gave up their land or got run off or taken over. Such is history.
"... practicing their own medieval religion, engaging in honor killings and wife beatings, and all the other good things their culture and religion brings to their community."
I am no fan of muslim religion or customs, but at least they're running no concentration camps like Israel.---
Hmmmm, so you do argue that who ver now holds the land strongly (the USA vs native americans, Israel vs the Would-be-Palestinians) should keep it.
How was it said in princess bride... "you keeping using those words, concentrations camps. I do no theeenk you know what they reeeeally mean"
hehehehehehe
-evil
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