January 3, 2009

Soot and Ashes Serious Question of the Day

Why do central banks still own gold?




World official gold holding (September 2008)[6]
Rank Country/Organization Gold
(tonnes)
Gold's share
forex (%)[6]
- Flag of World World 29,783.9 -
- Flag of Europe Eurozone (incl. ECB) 10,911.4 58.0%
1 Flag of the United States USA 8,133.5 77.3%
2 Flag of Germany Germany 3,413.1 66.4%
3 International Monetary Fund 3,217.3 -
4 Flag of France France 2,540.9 57.8%
5 Flag of Italy Italy 2,451.8 67.0%
6 Flag of Switzerland Switzerland 1,064.1 38.1%
7 Flag of Japan Japan 765.2 2.1%
- SPDR Gold Trust (a Gold exchange-traded fund) 745.2[7] -
8 Flag of the Netherlands Netherlands 621.4 59.9%
9 Flag of the People's Republic of China People's Republic of China 600.0 0.9%
10 European Central Bank 533.6 23.0%
11 Flag of Russia Russia 472.6 2.1%
12 Flag of the Republic of China Republic of China (Taiwan) 422.4 3.8%
13 Flag of Portugal Portugal 382.5 85.5%
14 Flag of India India 357.7 3.1%
15 Flag of Venezuela Venezuela 356.8 29.3%
16 Flag of the United Kingdom United Kingdom 310.3 15.4%
17 Flag of Lebanon Lebanon 286.8 33.5%
18 Flag of Spain Spain 281.6 39.0%
19 Flag of Austria Austria 280.0 40.4%
20 Flag of Belgium Belgium 227.6 37.3%

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

0. Central Banking defies rational analysis!
1. Barring the usual goldbug conspiracy theories, I doubt there's a single intent. Those holding the bulk of their reserves in gold emphasize "soundness", while the others may be just balancing their interest-earning assets with something conservative.
2. (see 0 above) Don't copy their tactics.

Anonymous said...

better question: when will they make illegal and seize all holdings over 50oz?

my guess is once they're done devaluing. b/c if there's nothing to be devalued against, then there really was no devaluation to begin with! an idea so ridiculously stupid that it just might work on us sheep!

baaaaaaaaaaaaa

Anonymous said...

The U.S. gold reserves have not been audited in over 50 years. It is my opinion, that they do not exist.

Anonymous said...

Keith, I know what you are getting at; that gold is a precious commodity, it is in limited supply, during troubling times it goes sky high as demand increases, etc...

However, here is one aspect of physical gold ownership that scares the living daylights out of me; in the past during economic depressions, the government has CONFISCATED GOLD FROM THEIR OWNERS and paid them at below market (way below market values) values. Imagine buying gold today at $900 per ounce, and then you see it go to perhaps $2500. But then the government decides (for economic stability and the benefit of all) that they need to confiscate gold and they will only pay you $300. And if you don't like it, then they will send a bunch of guys with guns and body armor at your house!!!

This has happened in the past and is likely to happen in the future if we go into another Great Depression! Just some food for thought Sashers.

Tyrone said...

Ummmm... cuz they like how shiny and yellow it is?

Anonymous said...

Well, prime minister Brown sold most of the UK share, right when prices were lowest. Nice one.

Note how Japan and China have both opted for the greenback as a "safe haven" heh heh. Their reason obviously is to prop it up so they can dump more crap onto the US.

Interesting question though: are these central banks the ones lending gold out to keep it's price down? If so, it would be interesting to see the paper gold holders step up to the plate and ask for their bullion.

Anonymous said...

Hi Keith,

Do you (or does anyone) really believe these numbers (gold reserves for the US)? And, is 77% of zero currency reserves really significant for the US?? Just askin...

Anonymous said...

Keith,

All the numbers in your chart as bogus. Why? Because the IMF has been forcing all CBs to cook the books using 'gold swaps' for the past 10+ years.

Who knows how much if any of the real physical yellow metal any of these CBs still have.

Anonymous said...

What is a 'gold swap'?

It's a contract which lets a bullion bank lease gold from a CB.

The bullion bank gets the physical gold, which they then dump on the spot market to keep a lid on the POG.

The CB gets IOU for the physical, plus some amount of interest paid in fiat dollars.

This game is over when the physical gold runs out, or the CBs demand their swap postions unwound.

A full unwind would vault the POG over $50K/oz. Why so high? Because much of the physical is stashed away in SWFs and other very stong hands that won't let go for anything less.

When will this happen? Only the bankers who have access to the real data and their finger on the geopolitical forces in play could attempt a reasonable guess as to the timing of events. The data indicates to us only that such an event will happen, not when.

JAWS said...

Lot of front teeth are gold in Los Angeles. Lots of them. It's some kind of honor. The more inner-city, the more inner-gold-teeth.
They need lots of gold there. They pan for it.

jim said...

Cause they put it in a big tub and roll around naked in it.

Anonymous said...

No matter what happens, they can still get a happy meal.
Coconutz!

Anonymous said...

Once they have completely plundered and destroyed the worlds fiat currencies By inevitable hyperinflation . Thus wiping out the worlds middle class they may insist that it was a good idea after all to have currency backed by something eg gold .And coincidentally they find themselves once again in prime position

Anonymous said...

central banks own gold because they know the scam of fiat paper money...
interesting that the anti-gold countries, secular Western ones, especially USA and UK hold the most....if gold was such a barbarous relic (sitting in the dark earning no interest as one CNN pundit put it)
why do they then hoard it? (when not selling off chunks to down the spot price?

Anonymous said...

So when the G20 hyperinflate in unison, they'll be even richer.

Anonymous said...

This is a very good question. There are also signs of very large purchases taking place.

Perhaps govts. knowing for a fact their currencies are going to deflate rapidly and soon, are buying like mad, as a hedge. (can't say all their moves are stupid)

"Somebody BIG ... playing for BIG marbles".
-Bill Murphy

http://tinyurl.com/7j96zl

Anonymous said...

good question. as for other countries, b/c they think there is still value or use for it, which there is not. as for the US, who knows, they have money to waste?

Anonymous said...

Right on time Keith. You put up a gold thread and the price plummets. Thanks dude. Time to buy some more.

Anonymous said...

they own gold so that they can F with goldbug investors. ;)

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