Al Gore knew more about climate change than most others, simply because by chance he happened to take a course at college from Roger Revelle, one of the first scientists to understand what was happening with CO2 and the planet.
I know a good chunk of Americans won't listen to a word he has to say, and are put off by climate change science, simply because of stupid dem/rep left/right politics, and that's sad.
I don't like Al Gore much myself, and I hate the Dems too. I too thought he was a wooden, fake, calculating, uninspiring politician. And oh, I hate the Dems, did I mention that?
But I agree with him on this. Since agreeing with him is simply agreeing with settled science.
Man is toasting the one planet we have. And you'll die before the real sh*t hits the fan.
But rest assured, your children's children's children will hate you.
Also check out the UN report on climate change if you haven't already. But of course, those of you who think this is all a myth won't read that either.
The real truth is you're either on the side of 99%+ of scientists, or you're on the side of ignorant f*cks. You choose. For me, I'll always trust scientists before I trust
Always.
And I do find it odd that most of the climate change ignoramuses that I see are also the ones ignorant about evolution and the big bang. You'd think that religious people would not want to ruin the one planet that god gave them. Or that they'd be concerned about future generations. If there was one set of people that should be up in arms about this, it should be the religious. But because of politics gone astray, it's been the exact opposite. Until lately. I think even the GOP is starting to see the error of their ways, and is repenting now. Starting.
Hopefully most of you do understand this issue. Hopefully you're changing your behavior, and are involving yourself in this issue. Because when it comes to everything else, nothing else really matters. If we ruin our one planet, does it really matter how much money we blew on the housing crash?
Enjoy the show.
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Gore may be right on the global warming but we can't have a carbon credit trade. Instead we should limit how much each business / factory can let out in carbon, pollution, etc. But please, no trade/tax scams.
keith, you hate dems, you hate the unions, face it, you are a republican. yet you love obama.
i'm a registered republican, a union member, and voted for obama because he was the lesser of two evils and because palin is an idiot.
Keith,
you might want to look at this:
http://tinyurl.com/c2hden
since they found huge (12 inch diameter) snakes in the amazon and snakes could only get to that size if the earth was several degrees warmer than it is now.
the deeper problem we have is population since it's destroying biodiversity. global warming has (apparently) happened before without the help of man; correlation isn't causation, as they say.
the bigger problem is that animals can climate shift since humans occupy so much space.
The atmosphere of Mars is 95% CO2. Its CO2 concentration is 17x higher than it is here. How come it's cold as hell there? I mean, it's even colder than dumbass Sarah Palin's Alaska, -63 °C (-81 °F).
Keith, where do you get the "99% of scientists" figure? Did you pull that out of your ass? Is it one of the 86% of statistics made up on the spot?
Your Lake Chad whining is just one example of LOCALIZED climate change. There's always somewhere in the world that's changing, whether it's warmer, colder, wetter, or drier.
How come you keep talking doomsday scenarios based on computer models that completely failed to explain recent climate behavior? Ever hear of "Garbage in, Garbage out?"
How come you don't mention the fact that many glaciers around the world are advancing?
How come you don't mention that 2007 had the sharpest temperature DROP on record and wiped out 100 years of warming?
How come Arctic ice is rapidly growing and back to 1970s levels?
What about the fortune that algore's made spreading hysteria? Some estimates say $100M. Follow the money? That's almost as much as The Orange One.
For the record, I'm an atheist that embraces evolution and the big bang.
anon ignoramus - did you watch the movie and read the UN report?
chime in after you do.
Also ignoramuses please post your disinformation sources so people can read or view them.
fair and balanced you know
all they need to do is ask Obama to stop global warming, wait...
didn't he already??
settled science?
Yah, like the sun rotates around the earth is settled science. No shock they try to make those who disagree drink hemlock ;)
-d
Hey anonymous denier -- you forgot to mention that the atmosphere of Mars is almost non-existent. The fact that 95% of almost nothing is CO2 is irrelevant. False premise. Apples vs. oranges.
The fact that glaciers are advancing is PROOF of global warming. They're melting, which makes torrents of water run underneath them. That lubes their path like oil. It makes them slide forward, thus appearing to advance.
I go to Switzerland from time to time. I don't see nearly as many glaciers there in the summer (which is when I go, and also when you can see things better in the non-stormy air.) My banker gnome, who's in his 40s, says he's noticed the recession of the glaciers there over his lifetime.
Maybe you were the anonymous who cited some scientific article a while back supposedly proving that 2007 was the coolest year in the past decade. It's hard to tell with people who aren't even bright enough to think of a screen name.
I cut 'n' pasted that web address, and it said that 2007 was different ONLY BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS YEARS WERE AMONGST THE 10 HOTTEST RECORDED IN HUMAN HISTORY! 2007 wasn't in the Top 10, but it did not "wipe out 100 years of warming."
I could go on, but talking to people who deny science is like talking to my cat. Please don't shit in the bathtub, anonymous. Yeah, I know -- it doesn't work with the cat, either.
Now that I'm done sputtering, on to what I really wanted to say.
I often wonder about the psychology that makes people deny the obvious. Part of what motivates the anti-science crowd is, as you said, simple partisan hatred. "If the liberals are for it, I'm against it!"
For the Christers, don't overlook the Rapture lunacy factor. They don't care if they trash the Earth because they believe Jeebus is coming back to burn all the sinners in a big pillar of fire, so might as well trash the place before the cleansing incineration.
It seems to be a Christian thing, this "Fuck the planet before the Big Guy returns." I deal with faithful Hindus and Muslims at work, and they're worried about MAN-MADE global warming. Their faiths don't deny science.
There's also the factor that if you acknowledge that man is toasting the planet, you're obliged to do something about it, or concede that you're a shitheel. Many people don't want to change their lifestyle. They don't want to admit they've been at fault. So they bury their heads in the sand. The sand that's right up their arseholes.
Finally, there's the profit motive. The big industrial players know they're killing the world. But they reckon they won't kill it during their lifetimes. And they can make lots of money, live large as the atmosphere carbonises.
They don't care if their children hate them. Who says they even love their children? What they love is money. Profits before people is what motivates them.
The gross displays of ignorance on this board amaze me from time to time. Global warming was settled science in 1990 and likely much farther back. The questions people continue to study are how much and what are the implications -- but the "debate" ended decades ago. If your readers would take time away from beer and nascar, shut off talk radio, and pick up a legitimate newspaper (assuming they don't all fold), the discourse would surely improve.
Believe what you want: the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe, Republicans stand for freedom, and global warming is a hoax. Belief does not change reality.
Ruin the planet? Bulls**t! The planet is more than capable taking care of itself.
I have travelled the globe and still travel too much because I get paid for it. I have seen and see a lot of our planet.
These "Al "type bullsh*ters are going to cost us lots of money in the form of CARBON TAXES.
Snow melting, lakes drying up, weather changes.....who the f*ck do we think we are wanting to change and influence the FORCE of mother nature She will take care of herself.
Let us take care of ourselves and if folks in China want to pollute where they live so be it!
They change their ways sooner or later instead of the "Al types" telling THEM what to do and CHARGING them for it.
thats it for me you really have shown your lunacy for putting this hack on and by the way did you know that his mansion was running full power on saturday the day i was supposed to turn off my electricity in support of some nonsense but keep following him maybe he will give you a ride on his pvt jet i will check back in a few years to see how your are
am not concerned if the world is getting hotter or not but I am very interested in improving our air and water quality. This interest just happens to go hand in hand with reducing emissions that potentially cause global warming so if it helps that cause too that's fine with me. I have spent time in nations that have complete disregard for any environmental standards and it is disgusting. The cities are covered in dirt and everyone needs to wear face masks just to walk down the street. So maybe you don't believe the world is getting warmer but surely you can see emitting carbon monoxide and other chemicals into the air with reckless abandon is not wise.
Stupidest comment so far about the global warming effort:
"who the f*ck do we think we are wanting to change and influence the force of mother nature, she will take care of herself"
Global warming has occurred because humans have already influenced mother nature. Science is urging us to stop it.
Scientifically speaking, I have never heard of mother nature taking care of herself. Mother nature is nothing more than a reaction to conditions. It can be for the better or the worse.
Comments such as " coolest temperatures on record" do not disprove global warming, they are evidence of it. The erratic, unseasonable, temperature swings, both hot and cool, that are now occurring, have been caused by it.
Al Gore--a genuinely concerned, and selfless person? Huh?
"The atmosphere of Mars is 95% CO2. Its CO2 concentration is 17x higher than it is here. How come it's cold as hell there?"
Just a wild guess but maybe it has something do to with Mars being much further away from the sun.
It's the term "settled science" that ought to raise the eyebrows.
Back in the first part of this decade the fact that they "ain't makin' any more land" and all those immigrants would have to have a place to live and every retiring geezer would be buying two vacation homes was "settled economics" too.
Our apricot trees haven't had any fruit since 2004 because of hard freezes that now occur with regularly in April. A man who has lived here for 30 years tells me it is getting colder and dryer compared with earlier decades.
I'd offer you some apricot nectar Keith (much better than the GW Kool Aid you're drinking), but we are all out.
Oh God, here we go with the "hate science" thing again.
When you attack those who disagree with you, it makes you seem like an insecure child.
Isn't Al Gore an *unofficial* spokesman for GE?
He's likely sold out to a corporate marketing agenda of introducing new (and old) products into the 'lime' light.
The trend is your friend, Al!
And how's your latest book selling?
Go Green!
I can be easily convinced. First just explain the Ice Age to me oh science maven.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age
Forget it everyone - false alarm. There's an apricot tree somewhere that hasn't had fruit in awhile because of freezes.
Ipods are selling too, so there was no housing crash.
Wow.
Sometimes the stupidity is actually stunning.
Please read the report, and watch the video. Please review the reams of data. Climate change is change in climate folks. Some areas will be vast deserts. Some will be under water. Some will be soaking wet. Some will be destroyed by ever-more-powerful hurricanes. And yes, some apricot trees will freeze.
For the most important issue facing mankind, you think there's be widespread intellectual curiosity. At least 60 minutes of your time perhaps? Or do you need to watch Idol, or head over to Wal-Mart for more crap?
Unreal.
Seriously. Unreal.
> Please read the report, and watch the video.
Oh OK, but Al is kind of hard to watch, and he has a track record of being a lier and hypocrite.
BTW, the ICE AGE was a little more significant than someones fickle apricot tree. Or is the ice age just a myth?
For the fools who won't take 60 minutes of their life to understand the issue, here's the UN report recap, that I hope you can read in a minute. Or two:
The key conclusions of the SPM were that:[37]
* Warming of the climate system is unequivocal.
* Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic (human) greenhouse gas concentrations.
* Anthropogenic warming and sea level rise would continue for centuries due to the timescales associated with climate processes and feedbacks, even if greenhouse gas concentrations were to be stabilized, although the likely amount of temperature and sea level rise varies greatly depending on the fossil intensity of human activity during the next century (pages 13 and 18).[34]
* The probability that this is caused by natural climatic processes alone is less than 5%.
* World temperatures could rise by between 1.1 and 6.4 °C (2.0 and 11.5 °F) during the 21st century (table 3) and that:
o Sea levels will probably rise by 18 to 59 cm (7.08 to 23.22 in) [table 3].
o There is a confidence level >90% that there will be more frequent warm spells, heat waves and heavy rainfall.
o There is a confidence level >66% that there will be an increase in droughts, tropical cyclones and extreme high tides.
* Both past and future anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions will continue to contribute to warming and sea level rise for more than a millennium.
* Global atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide have increased markedly as a result of human activities since 1750 and now far exceed pre-industrial values over the past 650,000 years
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergovernmental_Panel_on_Climate_Change
The big issue about climate change is how much is directly related to human activity compared to the proven historical record of many climate changes that have naturally occurred. Al Gore claims that humans are responsible and that the only real solution is carbon taxing and cap/trade policies that will conveniently make him more wealthy than Warren Buffet and George Soros combined. It's settled science for Al Gore's future income.
On the causes of the Ice Age. I believe a scientist would say there are many 'variables'.
The causes of ice ages remain controversial for both the large-scale ice age periods and the smaller ebb and flow of glacial–interglacial periods within an ice age. The consensus is that several factors are important: atmospheric composition (the concentrations of carbon dioxide, methane); changes in the Earth's orbit around the Sun known as Milankovitch cycles (and possibly the Sun's orbit around the galaxy); the motion of tectonic plates resulting in changes in the relative location and amount of continental and oceanic crust on the Earth's surface, which could affect wind and ocean currents; variations in solar output; the orbital dynamics of the Earth-Moon system; and the impact of relatively large meteorites, and volcanism including eruptions of supervolcanoes.
By the way, the film was much better than expected.
Love science and scientists; we live about 2 miles from Revelle campus. Bumped into Jonas Salk walking on the Shores some years ago.
Some great stories told around here about Kary Mullis. Every time a criminal is caught or an innocent is freed using DNA, we can thank him.
I am COMPLETELY "...put off by climate change science, simply because of stupid dem/rep left/right politics..."
Can you blame me?
These same fucks who shouted us down about the housing Ponzi, Iraq, Terri Schiavo, etc...etc...ad nauseum are neither sincere nor intellectually honest.
They're stupid bullies, plain and simple; who now scurry about with a bad case of Internet Autism® about the Bush legacy and a sudden appreciation for fiscal responsibility.
Without the balls(of course) to accept ownership of the consequences.
I happen to agree with them on that, but for a completely different reason(apart from political gain): because it is economic reality.
Bonus laugh: "...Mars is 95% CO2...How come it's cold...?..."
See what I mean?
The real reason behind Gore Backlash: being shady grifters themselves, projecting that same corrupt selfishness comes easily to them.
Hey Keith,
How about this science? At first blush, it looks very credible. These folks have used very conventional methods, and their paper is very well argued.
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
pp.7-31 (25) Authors: Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones, Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley, Bradley R. Larsen
doi: 10.2174/1874412500902010007
global warming is a scam. we are not warming. we are cooling. and no, most scientist do not believe this. like i believe al gore of all people on this issue. can you believe this idiot got a nobel prize? God help us. we have a lot more pressing problems than this at this juncture, like the destruction of the global financial structure and the death of my nation. keith, you keep watching the ping pong ball, and you see where that gets you. you are in england now, the land of the millions of street cameras where some idiot is watching you and everything you do. big brother is watching you.
This is pretty fascinating from wikipedia.
The geological record appears to show that ice ages start when the continents are in positions which block or reduce the flow of warm water from the equator to the poles and thus allow ice sheets to form. The ice sheets increase the Earth's reflectivity and thus reduce the absorption of solar radiation. With less radiation absorbed the atmosphere cools; the cooling allows the ice sheets to grow, which further increases reflectivity in a positive feedback loop. The ice age continues until the reduction in weathering causes an increase in the greenhouse effect.
There are three known configurations of the continents which block or reduce the flow of warm water from the equator to the poles:
* A continent sits on top of a pole, as Antarctica does today.
* A polar sea is almost land-locked, as the Arctic Ocean is today.
* A supercontinent covers most of the equator, as Rodinia did during the Cryogenian period.
perhaps the goreachle is right but his soution of cap and trade is simply a transfer of wealth, a charade that doesn't limit total carbon emissions of the world.
I often wonder about the psychology that makes people deny the obvious. Part of what motivates the anti-science crowd is, as you said, simple partisan hatred. "If the liberals are for it, I'm against it!"
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true but the "obvious" back in the 70s was that an new ice age was happening...... it was nearly to hysteria levels.
It's all about taxes...
Fair and Balanced
It would actually be wonderful and massively economically stimulative if global warming was real.
Coastal cities would need to be rebuilt higher above sea level and resource extraction would be much easier around the north pole.
settled science????? climatology is settled? wow, my local weatherman needs to go back to school then.
and why is any scientist that has a differing opinion or is critical of the current "settled" science branded a lunatic or hack? why doesn't the other side simply respond with more "settled" science rather than foaming at the mouth goreachle rants?
http://tinyurl.com/dxtkr3
Antarctic sea ice extent and concentration for January 2009 were up significantly over 1997, 34.8% for ice extent & 22% for ice concentration. Jan 2009 sea ice was also up 23% over 1980. This continues a long trend of increases and before long the penguins will be able to walk to Brazil!
Science is the latest tin god. People like AlGore and Keith love to sing its praises (and it has many) when it helps them make a buck, but they ignore any science that seems to piss on their parade.
Water covers 75% of this planet. The interaction between the oceans and the sun dominates our climate. The sun is entering a period of unusual calm with few sunspots and lower levels of eruptions and flares. In the past these periods of solar calm have been associated (by scientists) with general cooling. We are seeing evidence of a cooling trend directly correlated to solar activity, but "scientists" like Gore and Keith tell us to ignore that as noise. Instead we must believe the distilled wisdom of a group of money grubbing politicians and lawyers who took a thousand-page IPCC report and "summarized" it for us. Sorry Keith, I've been to a couple of rodeos and I'm not buying this crappola.
GW is the next big scam. its fake.
Its surprising even keith falls for it. So many scams, one will get you eventually. People pick one that validate want the want to believe probably. Kieth wants to belive humans are destroying the planet.
>>"For the other 90%..."
90%??!! Judging by the comments on this blog most of the time, I would say a lot more than 10% are backwards hillbillies.
It is very amusing when the rightwingnuts come out of the woodwork on this board.
They hate Al Gore so they are predisposed to prove him wrong.
To help the RWNs figure this out, just pretend that Al Gore is Rush Limbaugh.
"Comments such as " coolest temperatures on record" do not disprove global warming, they are evidence of it. The erratic, unseasonable, temperature swings, both hot and cool, that are now occurring, have been caused by it"
In other words, you can never be disproven. This is a typical example of when belief trumps science, and you have the nerve to say those who disagree with you "hate science". People like you and Al Gore couldn't even name the planets of our solar system or balance a chemical equation you'd get on a high school chemistry test and yet you claim to have a monoply on the understanding of science? Please go away!
You have got to love Al Gore and his Carbon Credits scam, a way for the rich elite to justify their hypocrisy!
I often wonder about the psychology that makes people deny the obvious. Part of what motivates the anti-science crowd is, as you said, simple partisan hatred. "If the liberals are for it, I'm against it!"
Your argument works both ways. By the same token, most liberals are for it because it's the position of their party.
The only way to really to save the planet is to reduce the amount of people on it. So we need like a bird flue dropped by airplains like how they are dropping soft kill with chemtrails on us now. Simple.. Just wipe out 90 percent of the parasites then control the rest and live forever with stem cell research and cloning of das super race. Hail the Fatherland oops I mean the Homeland...
"Hey anonymous denier -- you forgot to mention that the atmosphere of Mars is almost non-existent. The fact that 95% of almost nothing is CO2 is irrelevant. False premise. Apples vs. oranges."
Don't know how to do math, eh?
The atmosphere of mars is 95% CO2, but yes, it is much thinner. It's 1% as dense as earth's. But the earth has only 0.038% CO2. But despite being thinner, there's still 17-18x more CO2 on mars than on earth.
"The fact that glaciers are advancing is PROOF of global warming. They're melting, which makes torrents of water run underneath them."
Wow. Just wow. And you call other people ignorant. Advancing glaciers mean that the glacier is getting larger in size. A receding glacier gets smaller because it's losing water faster than it's gaining from precipitation.
Shit, even the IPCC talks about receding glaciers as evidence for global warming. But the fail to mention the glaciers that are advancing and the glaciers that have recently reversed course.
"I go to Switzerland from time to time. I don't see nearly as many glaciers there in the summer"
Iraq got snow this year. So did Las Vegas. So did Malibu, CA. So did central FL. Morroco got snow and it killed people. Snow crippled London because they didn't have any snowplows. They never needed them. It snowed on a UAE mountain for the first time in history. Brazil's summer temperatures are the coldest in 99 years. This is all in the last year.
Richard S. Courtney, a U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) expert reviewer and a U.K.-based climate and atmospheric science consultant snorted, "Rubbish! Global warming is not 'accelerating.' Global warming has stopped. There has been no statistically significant rise in [mean global temperature or MGT] since 1995 and MGT has fallen since 1998 . . . "Arctic ice advances and recedes over decades. 2007 saw a minimum in Arctic ice cover in the short period that it has been monitored using satellites. But 2008 saw the most rapid growth in Arctic ice cover in that same period and Arctic ice cover is now back to the average it has had in the period. . . . “anybody who proclaims that 'Global warming is accelerating' is a liar, a fool, or both."
"It seems to be a Christian thing, this "Fuck the planet before the Big Guy returns." I deal with faithful Hindus and Muslims at work, and they're worried about MAN-MADE global warming. Their faiths don't deny science."
I'm not a christian, but an atheist. And yes, Muslims to deny science. Hell, the nutjobs in Saudi Arabia didn't acknowledge that the Earth is round until the 1980s.
"There's also the factor that if you acknowledge that man is toasting the planet, you're obliged to do something about it"
Why would a modest warming be so bad?
"Maybe you were the anonymous who cited some scientific article a while back supposedly proving that 2007 was the coolest year in the past decade."
I'm not saying it, UK's Hadley Climate Research Unit, NASA Goddard, University of Alabama, and the Remote Sensing System of Santa Rosa are saying it. And no, it's not the coolest year in a decade, 2007 had a temperature drop that was the largest ever seen on record and wiped out 100 years of modest warming.
"I could go on, but talking to people who deny science is like talking to my cat."
I'm not the one denying the data. You are. You're denying the fact that there has been no warming in the last decade and very significant cooling in 2007 and 2008.
"I often wonder about the psychology that makes people deny the obvious."
Yeah me too. I wonder why people like you have a religious fervor regarding global warming when the data contradicts you.
How the fuck do you figure???
Gore himself is a HUGE Hypocrite!
About 20(+-) years ago he said, we have about 15 years or were doomed if we don't do something!
His supposed carbon footprint in his everyday life (homes, transportation...) is astronomical!
He used to cry about 'Global cooling' ....look it up!
So which is it AL?
He holds a global warming summit meeting in 2007 I believe. So he picks the hottest spot during the southern hemispheres summer...how convenient.
He picks and chooses what he uses to his advantage (goes to a particularly hot area during it's hottest time)
From the north central plains thru the midwest all the way to the east coast, down to the pan handle of Florida have had a long cold in some case very cold winter.
That is a huge expanse. Why are we not seeing 80 degrees in Chicago in January?
If global warming is melting the polar ice caps, glaciers, we should see positive evidence of rising coastal tides (I live on one) and we are Not!
Rising water Invading populated area where we will have to evacuate because of rising waters?
We're Not!
Very Conveniently changes 'Global Warming' to 'Climate Change', understanding that he can get away with a lot more Bullshit!
Al Gore is a snakeoil salesman of the Highest order...
He does NOT live what he preaches!!
GLOBAL WARMING IS
ABSOLUTE HORSESHIT!
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If global warming was an emergency,
Don't you think that they would be educating the adults who can do something about it?
Instead they indoctrinate your children.
Sometimes very young ones,
Very impressionable minds.
Easily swayed
"For the fools who won't take 60 minutes of their life to understand the issue, here's the UN report recap, that I hope you can read in a minute. Or two:"
I know what the IPCC report says and what the computer models predict. The UN computer models are faulty because they failed to account or predict for the recent cooling.
Whether or not climate change is real is like trying to prove the existence of God. For every pro CC proof or paper, there is a counter-argument. There is so much political quid at stake that its impossible to get a non-biased answer. So who are you going to believe? The "scientists"? Which ones? I've read that some very notable climatoligists are breaking away from the CC crowd. Is this even true? I don't know. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to travel the world and take measurements and data myself. Yes, I should be taking more of an interest in the world around me, so if someone wants to fund an expedition, I will gladly come back with some 'proof'. So I align myself with the group of people most like me. I'm not a tree hugger, I don't wear sandals, I don't like Al Gore. I tend to get the feeling that CC is another myth. I'm taking the agnostic approach to CC, but I'm leaning toward "it's bullshit". Follow the money. The CC crowd definitely has a self-serving agenda.
Then explain why we have had era's of global cooling and warming Long before man became industrialized ?
Long before burning of fossil fuels
factory emissions...
.
It's very simple,
It's a hoax!
Al Gore is a Hypocrite when it comes to what he say's 'we' should do to correct global warming.
I better never see him again in a Suburban or an Escalade.
Side note; Al Gore was at a speaking engagement with several large black Suburban's awaiting him outside....as they sat waiting, they all had their engines idling so as to run the air conditioning,
How environmentally thoughtful Al
I better Never see him again climbing the stairs of a private jet.
See his huge multiple mansions.
Start ridin a bike Al!
Hey long beach, ca.....
You voted for Obama Because you are a Union Moron!!!
You can't decide for yourself so your precious Union mommy tells you who to vote for!
You Union cry babies!
oh keith, you bring up great memories,......al gore, our hero.....
ha ha ha
do you remember after the election in 1992, he and clinton were touring jefferson's home at monticello and al gore asked , on camera, who were these people while pointing at the busts on a shelf in the room of washington, franklin etc......the man is priceless...ha ha ha
http://tinyurl.com/d2pnku
or how about al gore's relationship with armand hammer, the communist traitorous jew and friend of lenin...
http://tinyurl.com/cknpje
or how about the time al gore went to a buddhist temple for a fund raiser...
http://tinyurl.com/cakylh
or how about the time al gore was caught making fundraising calls from his white house office?
http://tinyurl.com/dzh7dd
ah the memories......
so i am supposed to believe in global warming because al gore said it is a inconvenient truth?
sorry, i think not.....
Thing is, what exactly does the average person do about this? If I go buy a Prius or start riding public transit, will that make a difference? It makes about as much difference as casting a ballot in a US election. Zero. All the good I could do by acting like a self-satisfied woodland hippie would be undone ten times over by the folks in BRIC who are just getting their hands on the modern lifestyle. Why would I waste my time worrying about things that I have no control over?
BTW, I'm a PhD scientist, call me a denier or a f*cking idiot if you want, but the science of global warming is not particularly compelling. You've got a generally smart audience on this blog and you've probably noticed that a lot of your audience isn't buying what Gore is selling. There was a great comment about correlation not equaling causation, that was front and center in my head when I watched Gore's video. The comment about "garbage in, garbage out" is also spot on when it comes to modeling global climate systems.
Anyway I think the topic is certainly worth the real attention that it's getting now, and am glad there are people out there passionate about investigating the problem and taking action. But there are more pressing issues in front of most of us right now, frankly we'd be f*cking idiots if we took our eye off the global economic crisis unfolding on the time scale of single years to focus on an issue that will unfold over centuries.
Of course human activity, expecially CO2 emission from tailpipes, is the reason for global warming. Haven't you seen that the temperature is higher between the months of April and October, when people drive more and run their lawnmowers? When they drive less between November and March, the temperature is lower too. That's 100% correlation. In fact, the day time temperature is higher than night time temperature also due to people driving more in day time. On top of that, when you sleep, your body burns less calaries than when you are up and running during the day; the difference in the amount of CO2 that you produce is the reason why day time temperature is higher than night time temperature. How can you refute settled science like that?!
If you are afraid of warming period, be very very afraid of the cooling periods. Cooling is what brings about crop failures, starvation, social unrest, and wars. There is a reason why when the Swedish King Karl XIII, Napoleon and Hitler invaded Russia, they all found themselves in the middle of an extraordinarily cold winter: global cooling was what caused the economic upheaval that led to wars! The only successful invasion and conquest of Russia was undertaken by the Mongols, who were even more acclimitized to winter and specificly invaded Russia in the middle of an extraordinarily cold winter!
Read up on all the "global cooling" literatures from the 70's. The economy is already going back to the 70's. The bubble and bust cycles are very much related to the climate cycles.
Keith, have you heard that at one time most of the Earth was covered with ice? They call it the "ice age". Then, the ice melted, receded and this process shaped the face of the Earth. I guess we can say it was a global warming, or climate change on a grand scale. Nobody exactly knows why that global warming happened, but everyone agrees it was probably not caused by SUVs.
Oh and one more thing. If there is one reason to worry about the future of the Earth, it is over-population. So, if you have more than one child, or you intend to have more than one child, stop preaching to me and look into the mirror: you are personally responsible for all of our environmental problems.
Keith: the sea level rises by 18 to 59 cm everyday-- it's called high tide- and it's followed by low tide- everyday. In the mean time let's spend (err tax us) trillions of dollars so we can lower our standard of living, give more political power to amero-european socialists, and/ or facists because for the last 150 years or so they've been so right on a whole host of issues.
Greed is what keeps this debate raging. The doubters doubt because every solution involves us paying for it. If they truly believe why do their solutions always involve us enriching "them".
Obama wants carbon credits, who pays? We do of course. Even the poorest in our society will pay more for electricity.
With the trillion$ O is throwing at pork we could be building lots of clean green, new safe, nuclear plants to generate electricity. Then use the Natural gas that was once burned wastefully in electrical plants to fuel cars in cities. Cities already have natural gas delivery infrastructure so its easy to do. Natural gas in cars is cheap and super clean. Any car can be converted to run on natural gas.
As a side benefit we might see cheaper oil as all those cars now running on natural gas reduce demand for oil.
Why did'nt Obama put people to work doing these two things?
Money! "They" have no interest in anything that really helps us common folks or furture common folks, they only care about making money from us, right now and forever!
Cheap, clean electricity was not even brought up as they squandered trillion$ because one of those words is unacceptable to them "cheap". If they can't make stupid money from it they are not interested.
Cheap clean car fuel in our cities.....can't have the cheap part!
So us common folks should ignore anything they say, because they always have a price tag attached to their solutions. I call BS. If its so important and our planet needs it so bad then we'd be building nuke plants and natural gas cars. Period!
It does not take a genius to see this, follow the money. We just took a huge PASS on two giant reductions of green house gasses and insted chose to repair roads and build libraries.
The timing was perfect for Obama to step up and say we are going to put people to work, plus create affordable energy AND make a giant stride toward tackling global warming AND spend this stimulus money on something that benefits everyone and future generations. But NO, not one mention of it, so there is your emergency. When the government puts thier money (our taxes?)into this, then I'll be willing to put mine into it.
Gt Charlie
Keith, dealing with Climate change is futile. You are simply dealing with the symtom and not the cause. You cannot expect correction until you fix the problem causing that problem. The Problem,,,,,Too Many People. Toooooo Many Polluters. No controls on human birthing. There are approx 6.5 billion reasons why we are having adverse climate issues. All the Al Gore suggestions, every Nobel scientist's suggestions and all the talking head's suggestions are N O T going to work. Climate Change efforts are the simply the Scientific Bailout attempts to make money for the promoters of those attempts. Climate change is Big Big Big Money. The population is the P I G and Climate Change Efforts are nothing but the lipstick.
Just another kick to the moron on the ground about the martian atmosphere - 95% CO2 is about 2500x more than in our atmosphere. Our CO2 concentration is closer to 385ppm Einstein.
As for the continents and ice ages? WTF? The last ice age was a blink of an eye ago in time geologically. Where did you get that theory? Your ass?
The scariest are the hillbillies who don't believe in global warming because they don't like Al Gore. Nice distraction, twits. Most of the people who prefer to deny this don't give a shit about the coming generations because they only know the egocentric, do nothing for your neighbour, culture we've created.
Keith, can we have a thread on "The Prisoner's Dilemma"? That's what all this is. (the mentality where one would rather we all die than take the risk of somebody getting more than them).
last anon post about prisoner's dilemma was from Batman, forgot to sign it.
Stunning, stunning ignorance.
And of course, the ignoramuses posting their wonderful ideas here haven't read the UN report and haven't bothered to watch the flick.
You wonder if the human race is doomed.
Based on this thread, I would suggest it is.
Your children will hate you.
Lord help us. Lets all kneel down and worshop the green god and its cheif priest Al (lets sell carbon credits and make a shit load of money) Gore.
>Where did you get that theory?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age#Position_of_the_continents
I'm assuming it's accurate, how the hell do I know. The reasoning sounds plausible though.
Let's gauge this emergency by how much of the G20 $5 trillion stimulus goes to work projects that reduce green house gasses.
My guess is the only money that gets thrown at this emergency is "our" dollars. Only powerful weapons like carbon credit costs passed along to our power bills will be used to fight this extreemly important battle.
GT Charlie
"And of course, the ignoramuses posting their wonderful ideas here haven't read the UN report and haven't bothered to watch the flick."
Boy, what a deja-vu. To the true believing fundamentalist (of any religion) the perfect truth of their holy writ is soooo obvious that they view people as coming in only two flavors: those who believe and those who have not read the scriptures.
Another characteristic of the fundamentalist believer is that EVERYTHING is proof of their beliefs. If you are well, that proves God, if you are sick, that proves God, if times are good, that proves God, if times are bad, that proves God, if times remain the same, that proves God too.
Global Warming true believers are just the same. As per the above, you either swallow the whole climate change schtick or else you just haven't read the report.
Also when the weather is hotter, that's GW, when it's cooler, that's GW too, when it's drier, wetter, snowier, clearer, cloudier, ... or if it just stays the same .... that's all proof of global warming.
What's the weather going to be next month ... no, wait, don't tell me. It doesn't matter any way. It is proof of Global Warming!!! It's sooooo obvious!
All fundamentalists, religious or scientific, can take five shots to the head and not flinch. It's called "settled science."
99+% or scientists...please cite a reference to establish credibility.
Here's mine: http://tinyurl.com/cmfr7u
"Ninety-seven percent of the climate scientists surveyed believe “global average temperatures have increased” during the past century."
"Eighty-four percent say they personally believe human-induced warming is occurring, and 74% agree that “currently available scientific evidence” substantiates its occurrence. Only 5% believe that that human activity does not contribute to greenhouse warming; the rest are unsure."
"A slight majority (54%) believe the warming measured over the last 100 years is not “within the range of natural temperature fluctuation.”"
"Overall, only 5% describe the study of global climate change as a “fully mature” science, but 51% describe it as “fairly mature,” while 40% see it as still an “emerging” science. However, over two out of three (69%) believe there is at least a 50-50 chance that the debate over the role of human activity in global warming will be settled in the next 10 to 20 years."
"Only 29% express a “great deal of confidence” that scientists understand the size and extent of anthropogenic [human] sources of greenhouse gases,” and only 32% are confident about our understanding of the archeological climate evidence."
Here's a good one to pay attention to, MSM puppets:
"Only 1% of climate scientists rate either broadcast or cable television news about climate change as “very reliable.” Another 31% say broadcast news is “somewhat reliable,” compared to 25% for cable news. (The remainder rate TV news as “not very” or “not at all” reliable.) Local newspapers are rated as very reliable by 3% and somewhat reliable by 33% of scientists. Even the national press (New York Times, Wall St. Journal etc) is rated as very reliable by only 11%, although another 56% say it is at least somewhat reliable."
"Former Vice President Al Gore’s documentary film “An Inconvenient Truth” rates better than any traditional news source, with 26% finding it “very reliable” and 38% as somewhat reliable. Other non-traditional information sources fare poorly: No more than 1% of climate experts rate the doomsday movie “The Day After Tomorrow” or Michael Crichton’s novel “State of Fear” as very reliable."
Yawn. So a lake dried up. The fields and hills my dad hunted when he was a kid are now underwater. And a half mile away, the ponds I used to ice skate on as a kid are now dried up.
Things change. Deal with it.
Keith,
Sunspot count is very well correlated to the energy put out by the sun; it's directly measurable by the number of "solar wind"/elecromagnetic storms on sensors in orbit above the atomosphere. Much of the 1980's and 1990's was a period of rising sunspot activity, corresponding to rising . In fact, in the late 90's, there were incidents of solar wind knocking out parts of sattelites. Here is a link on sunspots:
http://www.coxeadvisors.com/Coxe_Advisors_-_Don_Coxe/Links.html
Sunspot count has collapsed in the last few years. 2008 had the lowest sunspot count since 1913; this year is even lower so far. 1913-14 should be numbers that ring a bell. The world went quickly from a period of prosperity to disaster, because people blieved that politicians had the solutions.
Keith, you keep getting back to this "your kids will hate you" bit.
Most generations hate the preceding one. The younger generation perceives the older as backwards, unable to grasp current understandings of science, politics, etc.
In some aspects it is mutual. I remember bumping a 12-year-old Gen Y punk with my car in the early 90s when he wouldn't get out of my way and asked what I was going to do about it. He started blubbering when I got out of my car and repeatedly slapped him across the face as I described how he'd be scraped off the pavement with a shovel if he kept it up. But after the tears I'm sure anger for the older generation grew in that little waste of tax dollars and carbon.
So if anyone is going to take notice of global warming because you say future generations will hate us, they really are just trying to avoid the inevitable. What a shock it will be for them when they see it didn't work! But since they are angry now anyway, the cause will be indistinguishable in their old age. If they make it to old age that is, without freaking out and doing us all a favor...
There's a lot of good stuff on this thread. The anons at 8:16 and 9:26 both made some good points. Maybe we're idiots for not taking Gore's gospel hook line and sinker, or maybe it's good there are smart people out there not taking anything as gospel truth. Regarding the 9:26 anon, true dat. I kind of hate my grandparents' generation for instituting social security. They instituted the pass-the-buck-to-the-next-generation policy, and frankly that makes them assholes. We're turning that policy into pass two or three bucks with our government's continuous debt-fueled irresponsibility, so that makes us assholes. But as individuals, we only bear so much culpability. The government doesn't exactly listen to us or do what we want it to do. I could choose to devote my life to changing things, and maybe I could make a dent of change, but it would be at the expense of all of my time and energy, to maybe make a dent. Short of that, I can vote, or bloviate my opinion, but those are more or less zero-impact activities. I figure my grandparents faced the same situation, so I don't hate them, I hate the bad decisions their government made, and I hate the bad decisions my government makes. I expect my grandkids will be smart enough to understand this eventually as well.
---Stunning, stunning ignorance.
And of course, the ignoramuses posting their wonderful ideas here haven't read the UN report and haven't bothered to watch the flick.
You wonder if the human race is doomed.
Based on this thread, I would suggest it is.
Your children will hate you.-----
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YAH, SURE.
A thread designed to generate eyeballs, clearly not believed by the fellow starting the thread. But... fun.
Global Cooling was settled science.
Now... AGW anthropogenic global warming is settled science... whatever.
All generations hate the prior.
The arguable real problem is consumption of resources, pollution, etc... too many people. AGW is a straw man, a distraction to something we imagine we can fix since we cannot fix real problem... too many people.
Global Warming is a religion, a belief system untested and untestable, making zillions for the priest class such as Algore, who get, just like in ancient religion, INDULGENCES as part of their church to violate the very tenets they espouse... they buy "carbon credits", yah, sure.
Climate cycles are old news.
The measurement science used in AGW is pitiful.
The great religions cite unresesolvable belief conflict as proof of divinity... if we cannot explain it it must be true.
Global warming does same. If it gets hot, it's AGW. If it gets cold, it's AGW. If weather is predictable it's AGW. If weather unpredictable it's AGW.
Keith, perhaps you should just post a thread "Republicans are better than Democrats" or vice versa, if just want eyeballs. You'll get plenty of eyeballs. And that my friend is settled science you can take to the bank.
Oh yeah, some links
http://newsbusters.org/node/10495
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba230
http://xtronics.com/reference/globalwarming.htm
This thread, like any thread I've posted, is because I'm trying to change the world. However meaningless this blog (and HP) are.
You know, I wish Al Gore had never made that movie, or got involved in this subject. I think it's the general revulsion to him (which I share) that has made Americans stick their heads in the sand when it comes to this science.
Let's say Newt or Rush or Hannity or Scarborough made that movie. How different would the world be?
I think it's the messenger, not the message, that's created the problem.
Maybe Al Gore will ironically in the end do more harm than good?
Meanwhile, the ignorance on this blog is depressing. Most of you saw the housing crash before it happened. Yet you're missing the climate change disaster.
Enjoy the die-off.
...from the lowbrows who believed this...
...to a guy bragging about beating up a kid...
who really invented the internet?
What kind of knuckle-draggers you growin' here, Keith?
Can't believe that anyone has the audacity to try to peddle that "sunspots" horseshit. Don't you think that if the energy that the earth was receiving from the sun were to go up so radically, that this would have an effect, oh, let's say, on the extremely sophisticated and sensitive satellites we have in orbit?
Apparently, sometime in the past, some bought&paid for hack coughed up some bullshit line about sunspots, and you've seized on it as a way to deny reality.
Keith is right.
The desperate clinging to tissue-thin "evidence" baked up by crackpot scientists is reminiscent of the way the REIC kept trotting out its ever-more-erroneous analyses of the real-estate market. Baghdad Bob had nothing on you nitwits.
Pick and choose all you want, but the evidence is clear that Something Is Wrong. I've been to Patagonia, in Chile. I have walked up the slope of an active volcano that used to be covered in thick glacial ice year-round. There are now only isolated clumps of snow, where for millennia there had been ice.
But of course, the proof that ice existed in these places comes from science. From carbon-14 dating and other things that are "all sciency and stuff." Too hard to wrap your poor little heads around, wingnut weaklings. Much better to rely on mistranslated words written in a religious tract that says Big Daddy Jesus is coming soon and will make it all OK.
keith: "fair and balanced you know"
gore flies around in a jet and has a mansion that consumes more energy than 200 families need.
if gore actually believed what he said, wouldn't he change his ways?
global warming might be true, but it's one of many problems. some folks believe we'll run out of oil before it gets too hot anyway so the green economy is coming out of need not morality.
re: "Belief does not change reality."
but perhaps we don't know the cause. was it deforestation? was it solar flares? is it because we damned rivers or built asphalt roads and parking lots?
re: "maybe it has something do to with Mars being much further away from the sun."
but gore showed us that C02 would trap the sun's rays and it causes things to become infinitely hot.
i.e. if global warming works as advertised, then the martian surface should be getting hotter every single year.
I would recommend climateaudit.org, but the science might be too much for you. Rest assured however, that 99 percent of scientists now know full well that the hockey stick graph was cooked like a Countrywide balance sheet - largely due to the intrepid efforts of Steve McIntyre and the other brave nonconformists. Sorry to spoil the fear party of your new religion, but I'm afraid I'm much more well informed than you on this particular propaganda.
99+% or scientists...please cite a reference to establish credibility.
Here's mine: http://tinyurl.com/cmfr7u
"Ninety-seven percent of the climate scientists surveyed believe “global average temperatures have increased” during the past century."
But Keith said 99% of all scientists, not climate scientists.
The problem with this is that all these climate scientists depend on government funding for their livelihood. No one's getting a grant unless they profess a belief in the articles of faith.
Not sure of cause and effect, but China has billions of dollars to spend on something. They are a little tired of buying our bonds. They can probably afford the carbon credits to massively pollute for another 20-30 years or so.
BTW, how about farts? A fart has 10-30% CO2 (wikipedia)x 6.7 billion people plus dogs, cats, cows... :)
Carbon credits = next "bubble" IMHO.
"Please read the report, and watch the video. Please review the reams of data. Climate change is change in climate folks. Some areas will be vast deserts. Some will be under water. Some will be soaking wet. Some will be destroyed by ever-more-powerful hurricanes. And yes, some apricot trees will freeze."
I watched An Inconvenient Truth about a year and a half ago. Like I always try to do, I watched a few videos that refuted everything Gore claimed and demonstrated on his documentary. Now I am conflicted about the whole thing. I think you are right about Gore being the wrong person to give this message. I do not believe that the planet is heating up, but I do think the climate is changing, as it always does. I don't think man is the sole cause, although we are part of it. To blame a dead polar bear on me driving a car that gets 19 mpg and not recycling my light bulbs really makes me think that the blamer has an agenda.
I'm not on board with the Global Warming crowd and I think it's alarmist at best, insidious at worst. That being said, I believe in being efficient and conservative, so where the hell is my f*cking hydrogen car? I've been waiting for those for almost 10 years since I did a research report on that technology in college. Thankfully honda realized that hybrids are nothing but a stop-gap, 5-10 year solution at best and has moved on to the FCX. I wish I could have been the first to drive one.
If you've seen Gore's movie, please watch The Great Global Warming Swindle, so that you can be as conflicted as I am.
Being from Phoenix, I absolutely believe in the urban heat swell phenomenon, but that doesn't mean we should automatically think it's happening everywhere.
One final thing, if we all are truly monkeys, why are we so concerned about the so called die off that's coming?
Let's say Newt or Rush or Hannity or Scarborough made that movie. How different would the world be?
I think it's the messenger, not the message, that's created the problem.
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the messenger and the way the scientific community appears to attack in a non-scientific way any scientist who tries to question the "accepted" science. That is not the way science is suppose to work.
Great film. Wow. Who knew?
So can we start with a few dozen nuclear power plants?
Nope. Gotta do it with wind [which will NOT be done because the science (regarding efficiencies) says so, and it doesn't negotiate].
So now who's the problem Keith?
Plus to be fair it'd be nice to hear the experts who deny this counter line per line.
Of course human activity, expecially CO2 emission from tailpipes, is the reason for global warming. Haven't you seen that the temperature is higher between the months of April and October, when people drive more and run their lawnmowers? When they drive less between November and March, the temperature is lower too. That's 100% correlation. In fact, the day time temperature is higher than night time temperature also due to people driving more in day time. On top of that, when you sleep, your body burns less calaries than when you are up and running during the day; the difference in the amount of CO2 that you produce is the reason why day time temperature is higher than night time temperature. How can you refute settled science like that?!
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arggggg matey! we all know that global warming is the direct result of decreasing numbers of pirates!
it has been shown that temps are increasing while the number of pirates is decreasing. Proof positive.
Looks like keith was intellectually dishonest in mentioning Lake Chad as evidence for global warming.
It has an average depth of only 5ft and fed by just one river. Because of this, it has large seasonal fluctuations in size.
"A 2001 study published in the Journal of Geophysical Research blamed the lake's retreat largely on overgrazing in the area surrounding the lake, causing desertification and a decline in vegetation."
The UN Environment Programme says that about half of the lake's decrease is attributable to human water use such as inefficient damming and irrigation methods.
It nearly dried out in 1908 and 1984.
Lake sediments appear to indicate dry periods, when the lake nearly dried up, around 8500 BC, 5500 BC, 2000 BC, and 100 BC.
Where there SUVs then?
When Al Gore starts living the low emission lifestyle that he is trying to force on me, maybe I'll listen. Oh yeah, and when temps start rising instead of dropping like they are. Until then, both Al Queeferino and "The Tree" can suck my ass.
Don't sweat it Keith, when we run out of things to burn equilibrium will occur. Imagine a global Haiti (without humanitarian aid of course).
Sleep tight.
Yep, go ahead global elite slaves, go pay carbon taxes on EVERYTHING you consume to the European bankers who live off your backs. Never mind the same European crooks have just taken your 401 (k) and trillions in bailout money from you, now you need to pay carbon taxes to them, too. And Keith, the global elite troll or retard (haven't figured out which one yet) is selling this Ponzi scheme as a "great idea"!
Geez, tough to figure this one out. Let's trust Gordon Brown or Pelosi and the rest of the thieves who keep selling this Ponzi scheme for the American worker to pay and enrich European coffers, as usual.
Let's all be a sheep and turn our lights off on Saturday because the World Wildlife Fund, a front created by the same global elite to invade third world countries and rape them out of their natural resources, is trying to domesticate the sheeple so they can get used to the idea of paying into something they will never control or oversee or even know is true. Just like the trillions that Bernanke is spending, and refuses to disclose to us, taxpayers, where it's going. After all, they're above the law!
Oh, have I told you that the World Wildlife Fund was created by Prince Bernard of Belgium, one of the founders of the Bildeberg Group aka Illuminati? What a coincidence! The same Europeans who have been raping Africa, The Caribbean, and Asia for their entire history are now sooooo concerned about their environment!
See sheeple, I don't expect you to wake up to the mountain of evidence in front of you, because as we know, there's always Idol on, but if you ever come crying or complaining to me, I will punch you in the mouth.
You people are retarded and you think that you're hip because you believe in Al Gore and Bill Maher, or in Republican or Democratic parties. You're just retards who deserve to get f*cked. So I'm cheering for the global elite to f*ck you all good in the a$$...and that goes to you too Keith.
I don't give a f*ck if you post this truth or not.
Yeah, nice one Keith. We should take our "settled science" from the oilman Al Gore that stands to profit the most via cap n' trade and the carbon credit scam:
Al Gore's Carbon Credit Scam
Please, wake the f up you daft bastard. Just a few posts back you were showing the "settled science" propaganda of the health benefits of smoking and now you're peddling Al Gore's carbon credit propaganda. The Nazis had "race science" too which was all hogwash. Use your own analytical abilities instead of listening to a minority of UN appointed "experts". For every "expert" that accepts global warming there is an equal and opposing metereologist, geologist etc that disagress.
Prisoner No. 6,
Where have you been? Of course the sunspots and "solarwind"/electromagnetic blasts were having their impact on the sattelites when the sunspot activities were high. That came as a shock to the owners of the early communication satelites that were not designed to survive those blasts because the solar activity was lower in the 70's when the old ones were launched.
Other planets and moons to other planets are experiencing "global warming." Must be because someone's been driving SUV's on those planets and moons. LOL
Prisoner No. 6,
Also, advocating "repent! for the end is nigh" is a classic religious/cult tract. Many skeptics of this new anthropogenic global warming religion are not basing their objects on religious reasons at all. In fact, many established religious institutions are embracing AGW; the dire forecasts of AGW is actually quite similar to the "four horsemen." LOL
My favorite moment in the global warming debate...earlier this year, there was a protest scheduled in Washington DC designed to increase awareness of global warming.
What happened? A snowstorm!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/02/shiver-global-warming-protest-frozen-massive-snowfall/
Keith, you and I agree on a LOT of things, and if we ever meet, several beers will be bought in your honor. But on this one, you owe me...global warming is as real as Pamela Anderson's breasts.
Keith,
Good post and embedded video, I'd not seen that before. Let me use my critical thinking skills on this movie:
The premise of the movie is that high carbon dioxide levels cause global warming, and that the carbon dioxide levels come from humans burning fossil fuel, such as oil, grasses and coals.
Let's respond to this:
1. Gore shows some nice charts correlating CO2 with temperature. As any thinking person knows, correlation doesn't equality causality. In this case, high CO2 and temperature could be correlated because a third or fourth factor is the cause. Or by looking at this correlated data, you could come to a hypothesis that increasing temperatures cause high CO2 levels and not vice versa.
Gore's hypothesis is the greenhouse effect, where CO2 blocks reflecting radiation from leaving the atmosphere. Well if that's true, then we should look at other greenhouse gases. For example, Methane has about 12 times more of a greenhouse effect than CO2 but that is absent from the analysis. There are other gases as well (CO, NOx) that have a greenhouse effect but these are out of the analysis.
2. Gore's analysis assumes that radiation intensity from the sun is uniform and we know that isn't the case. Solar intensity (solar flares for example)increases and decreases- there is some evidence that we are in an increased solar cycle right now.
3. Let's talk about carbon- as we know all matter in the form of elements cannot be destroyed except in a nuclear reaction. So there always has been about the same amount of carbon on planet earth since the universe was formed. This can be in the form of CO2, or in hydrocarbons or plant and animal matter. Was this not all in the atmosphere at one point? I guess we don't have data to show this, at least as presented in the video.
4. The video shows that CO2 levels have risen and fallen noting that current levels are higher than what's been measured as of 650,000 years ago in anarctic ice. OK, but what is the mechanism for CO2 levels to go down after they increase? Is this plants consuming more CO2 when the levels are higher? Could it be possible that more CO2 in the atmosphere will mean plant matter grows more quickly, that then brings the CO2 levels back down? What is the limit of this effect?
5. As most of us realize, we are running out of oil and will produce less and less each year. This will force us to limit our emissions whether we like it or not. Coal will last longer but will ultimately be subject to the same effect. This inconvenient truth is not discussed in this video.
6. It does appear that sea levels will rise and storms will intensify- but this will happen regardless of what we do assuming the link between CO2 and temperatures are correct.
7. What I don't like is this video attempts to overlap politics on science, in the form of a carbon tax or some other system. This video puts the uninformed into panic and fools them into accepting the agenda of the PTB. Folks, take a deep breath and think about this before turning to panic. That's what the gov't did after 9/11, that's what they did to get the TARP bailout through, and there is an element of this in this movie.
8. On the polar bears drowning, how about releasing a few platforms in the artic that will allow polar bears to rest on their journey. You can even make a floating hotel so tourists can see the bears come up onto the hotel as they rest.
Yes, we will have to make provisions to deal with the potential for storms, flooding and drought. We will need to do this regardless... don't fall into giving away more liberties to the elite in the form of carbon taxes!
Keith, I'd appreciate your thoughts on the points I've raised. From a critical thinking perspective.
-Mike
Keith,
to paraphrase Alvy Singer (Woody Allen) in Annie Hall: I think you're due back on planet earth soon.
The "science" around so-called anthropomorphic warming is certainly NOT settled.
As we all know, the earth has gotten hot and cold throughout its life. Today, there is a stream of thought that carbon - produced from human economic activity - is causing this purported warming, but it's just a theory...that's all. Sorry to burst your, and other peoples' dogma bubbles.
I have read the IPCC executive summaries for the first two reports and I can say that both were incredibly unconvincing. The methodologies employed to measuring temperatures is very inconsistent and there is vast room for error based on their sampling techniques. Furthermore, wild ass guesses are made based earth and ice cores that simply have a very low confidence interval for accuracy. In the 2nd report, the authors even went so far as to describe a problem (they admitted this actually) with measuring sea temperatures on a consistent basis because one ship used a metal container to hold the water so the temp could be measured while another used a wood container; the problem being that wood and metal dissipate heat at different rates.
In addition, neither of these reports did any research into the sun as a possible cause for warming that the authors say is happening. The authors just dismissed out of hand the largest and hottest object near us as being a possible cause of warming that they say is happening. And as far as i know, the third report dismisses solar radiation out of hand as well, if I recall (I did not not read it since I thought the first two were hogwash).
In the UK, Al Gore's film has been banned from schools by the judiciary because it deemed it propaganda and not a documentary.
The infamous hockey stick graph (which showed steady temps until the 1960's when the graph went up to the right dramatically) was proven to be a fraud.
Even with record cold temperatures throughout the globe in the last few years (for example, China in 2007 with it's record snowfalls and low temps), the global warming cultists just ignore all of the evidence against their theory.
Moreover, there are many more scientists who don't believe in this theory than do believe. It just so happens that the ones who do believe it are the ones who are in position of power in our universities and various govt. departments. They get the money and they call the shots. And, since the media is 90% Leftist, they just go along with their own personal views on the topic.
In addition to this, these Leftists are the same folks who want a global government, and this global warming canard is the best way for them to achieve that objective. Why? Because it requires a world body to regulate all commerce. And that body has to be run by a world government, not by the U.S., or the EU, or Asia. These people want to rule the world, and they want to do it from Brussels. All roads "warming" lead to Brussels. The place where blood-sucking n'eer do-wells sit in offices and figure out how they can rule the world. And they are using this theory on warming as the vehicle to do just that.
There is such overwhelming evidence against anthropomorphic warming it is too vast to go into here. However, for sashers who have an open mind, do the research on this and you will see that there really is no evidence that the earth is warming...certainly not like the global warming cult says it is now or will in the future.
Every few days I read new articles that proclaim that the end of the Arctic is near, or that the floating ice of Antarctica is breaking off and melting into the sea...and I just LAUGH. Today I saw that Time has another cover story on so-called global warming. Gee Whiz!
In a few short years, this hysteria will subside and the Left will say (like they usually do when the create needless hysterias that always prove to be false, like Alar in apples, an increase in men beating their wives over superbowl weekend, 150k women dying each year of anorexia, polar bear population almost extinct, etc. etc. etc. ad naseum) that, "Well, it was worth it anyway since having less carbon can't, after all, hurt us".
Keith, you're a smart guy but you have been had on this one. Start reading what the opponents of this theory have to say.
And for crying out loud: STOP READING WIKEPEDIA!!!!
How come they changed the name from global warming to climate change? Because there is no warming. How come it's a global problem? Because a global problem requires a global solution. Didn't the earth get much warmer in the middle ages? Yes, it was because of sun spots.
Here is a link on the varying intensity of the sun:
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/17jan_solcon.htm
I forgot to comment on the point that as polar ice melts then there is less reflected radiation and this will create a runaway increase in solar absorbtion.
Think about it. If the Arctic goes ice-free in the summer when it's usually 20% covered then what is the percentage of the surface area of earth that in going to absorb more energy. The arctic is only about 3% of the earths surface area and this effect is just for a month or two. So it's far less than 0.5% of an effect.
Do the maths before jumping to conclusions.
-Mike
Scientists respond to Gore's warnings of climate catastrophe.......
http://tinyurl.com/nschh
Top Japanese Scientists: Global Warming Is NOT Caused By Human Activity
http://tinyurl.com/b9656t
global warming is junk science. it is a convenient lie in order to attempt to control people and tax people, etc.
Of course the earth is warming, we just came out of the little ice age and it just so happens that man was finally smart enough to measure temperatures accurately just as this little ice age was ending, so naturally temperatures will go up, but not because of anything we are doing. It is mother nature and is people have built too close to the ocean, then they will pay a price eventually.
There are plenty of scientists who do not believe the hype about manmade global warming. Al Gore won't debate on it anymore, since when does he set the rules?
We are entering another dark ages, just watch what the world's governments do now. Fools, all of them!!!
Say what you will about it, but global warming is our best chance of being discovered by an alien civilization. The 7 sigma anomaly in our planet's blackbody radiation and solar absorption spectroscopy records caused by burning all the planet's fossil fuel in a few hundred years will the the strongest most detectable evidence of intelligent life we will ever radiate to the heavens. Far more energy concentrated in a more detectable signal than all our puny lasers, radio waves, nuclear events and the like combined. Who cares if we destroy the human population and all life on Earth? This is our best chance to achieve something greater than ourselves.
Anon April 5, 2009 10:04 PM:
"...to a guy bragging about beating up a kid..."
What do you do when some punk decides he's not going to get out of the middle of the street? Honk your horn? Ooooh. Ask them to "please move"? Oooooh. Get out and explain to them the science of their body vs. a car? Double-triple oooooh. Call 911 and clearly establish who's the bitch of a kid?
Every generation's youth thinks they're invincible. That's to be expected. The current crop has been empowered to shoot off their mouths. I don't take crap from kids. Maybe you do, and that's your right. But when some fat-ass jerk tries to be a hard-ass with me, I don't care if he's 9, 29, or 90. I'll smack the sneer off his face before he gets too far in thinking I'm his bitch.
You brought up knuckle-draggers. I am constantly amazed by college boys from suburbia that have this fantasy that we live in some kind of civilized world. If we're so civilized, why don't you move to Detroit? I hear housing's cheap there.
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Someone?
Anyone?
Please explain why Al Gore will NOT debate this topic?
He has been asked by numerous experts from around the world to debate on this subject
He will Not debate this!
Why?
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because he is a coward and a charlatan!
[i]The atmosphere of Mars is 95% CO2. Its CO2 concentration is 17x higher than it is here. How come it's cold as hell there? I mean, it's even colder than dumbass Sarah Palin's Alaska, -63 °C (-81 °F).
Keith, where do you get the "99% of scientists" figure? Did you pull that out of your ass? Is it one of the 86% of statistics made up on the spot?
Your Lake Chad whining is just one example of LOCALIZED climate change. There's always somewhere in the world that's changing, whether it's warmer, colder, wetter, or drier.
How come you keep talking doomsday scenarios based on computer models that completely failed to explain recent climate behavior? Ever hear of "Garbage in, Garbage out?"
How come you don't mention the fact that many glaciers around the world are advancing?
How come you don't mention that 2007 had the sharpest temperature DROP on record and wiped out 100 years of warming?
How come Arctic ice is rapidly growing and back to 1970s levels?
What about the fortune that algore's made spreading hysteria? Some estimates say $100M. Follow the money? That's almost as much as The Orange One.
For the record, I'm an atheist that embraces evolution and the big bang.[/i]
I'll answer that for you. It's because Kieth must be retarded. He believes in the tooth fairy and that a man who rents a Gulfstream jet and bitches at the local weather is the son of God.
Pay your carbon offsets directly to Al Gore
That's how and why he set it up that way!
Good statement,
If environmental damage is truly done by way of fossil fuel emissions (i.e. jet travel...)
Then explain what a carbon offset fee will directly do to fix or correct said damage!
Anyone?
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How come they changed the name from global warming to climate change?
climate change happens on planets with 0 humans. it's a guaranteed excuse to grant the sinful humans costly indulgences. if this were really about the environment, wouldn't they stop the easy money that encourages overconsumption and overpopulation?
I can't believe a post about global warming got so many reponses. There's bigger fish to fry.
Hi Everyone,
Thanks for the blog Keith, I share this site with many of my coworkers and my kids. I have some comments about this post though, please allow my comments to be posted.
The Bible says through one man came death, and through one man comes life. But if evolution were true, then death, being part of the survival of the fittest, best DNA wins scenario, would have entered the world from the beginning. Both positions cannot be equally valid.
Jesus refers to Adam and Eve, was he lying? Jesus refers to several events recorded in Genesis, should we disbelieve those as well as the creation sequence?
As for Creationism, it explains and predicts the precambrian explosion in the fossil record, for example.
Evolution requires belief in long ages, but all rock dating methods, such as readioactive isotope measurements, rely on two unproveable unknowable aspects, a) the original ratio of parent to daughter material, b) whether the sample was contaminated through waterborne material.
Creationists believe that adaptation is part of the variability built into existing DNA, while evolutionists falsely claim it proves evolution. Most of the high priesthood of evolution understand that random DNA errors could never turn a single celled organism into a complex creature, even with with the magix pixie dust of millions of years added in.
Source: Answers In Genesis
http://www.answersingenesis.org/PublicStore/product/NEW-Answers-Book-Bundle-The,5700,224.aspx
Lastly, just like Global Climate Change, there is no possible evidence that could ever force a change in an Evolutionists position. We all have the same data, but it is how it gets interepreted.
Sorry Keith dude. I don't buy this one.
Geez, you had insight with the housing stuff, but sometimes you are a total sucker !
Seriously, look at the science, not just the glossy report and movie (and your own laboured sense of worthiness).
This is the great One World Government Al Gore scam to ultimately TAX PEOPLE BREATHING.
You really up for that idea ?
It is April 6th and their is 6 inches of snow on the ground.
Global warming my ass.
I have a degree in science, and the UN report has been proven wrong. It is amazing how much propaganda is out there that actually has people believing this is going on.
Sorry, scientist here who does not believe in global warming whatsoever.
The ice age melted also when humans were engadgered so anyone who things humans have any effect at all on the climate are dumb asses.
changing it from "global warming" to "global clmate change" is not political at all.
i watched gore's film and really gave it a chance. but when he started talking about his fathers tobacky farm and used the horror of katrina to make his point about the desctructive nature of global warming he lost me. same ole al gore...using emotion/lies and not science to push forward is agenda.
Gore is a whore!
When campaigning in tobacco states,
he talked about how he tilled the land and managed the growth of the plants and how wonderful it was.
Then during the 2000 campaign he talked about the horrors of tobacco in non-tobacco states like Calif where tobacco is becoming criminal
A Fraud and a con-man and a Liar!
Herald (04/06/09) -- South Florida temperatures to get chilly
Students, don't worry, the chill isn't going to ruin spring break.
The coldest temperatures South Florida is likely to face -- low 50s for metro Miami-Fort Lauderdale and upper 40s further inland -- will come overnight Tuesday into Wednesday morning.
Just be thankful we're not in North Texas, where the same cold system has prompted freeze warnings, or in the Carolinas, where it's expected to dump inches of snow.
http://tinyurl.com/cbsq4w
Hoooweee, this Al Gore-Pelosi-Gordon Brown-Olbermann-Maher global "warming" is freezing us to death! It'll be 40 degrees down there in South Florida tomorrow, in APRIL.
Pay carbon taxes to your European masters and their puppets in Washington, suckers! Europe is bankrupt, so they need the Americans to be supporting their arses with phony carbon taxes, as usual.
Oh, and let me guess, all the carbon taxes will go to a "World" Central Bank which will be located in Europe, right?
Gordon Brown and Pelosi are selling this Ponzi scheme like crazy, so it must be good, right? Right?
Lastly, every time you hear news of terrorism attacks or any other violent incident in Europe, it's ALL a false flag attack to control the sheep, to keep them scared, to manipulate the masses, to pass New World Order agenda.
BTW, what do you have to say now that the phrase "NEW WORD ORDER" is being mentioned in the media daily? The New York Times, Financial Times, Fox, CNN, Newsweek, Times, Telegraph, etc, etc, etc, ALL mentioning "NEW WORLD ORDER" in big letters. You retards said that was a myth, a conspiracy theory, it didn't exist, right? How come all the corrupt media's been now selling New World Order weekly, along with every speech from Gordon Brown, as being something "good"? Before it didn't exist, but now not only it exists but it's sold as something "good" to us. Do you see how mind game/psyop works on your brain, sheeple?
I know it's a waste of time because you've been all domesticated already. You love to see military next to local police doing DUI check points. You don't even question that, that it's not only unconstitutional but a psyop so you can get used to see military in the streets, asking you for papers. The same thing with x-rays on airports...you love it! The Messiah voted for the extension of the wire-tapping on American citizens bill, and you all had an orgasm. You love to be live in a gestapo environment.
"...The Messiah voted for the extension of the wire-tapping on American citizens bill, and you all had an orgasm..."
Even better: all the frantic proselytizing about how Bama is no different.
NOTHING gets by them.
Cycles, Keith, Cycles!!!
Who benefits from all these taxes?
ALGORE is in THAT business. Hmmm.. can you spell "VESTED INTEREST"?
Do all those scientests get funded by higher taxes? Hmmmm.. grants smell like payola.
90%??!! Judging by the comments on this blog most of the time, I would say a lot more than 10% are backwards hillbillies.
And what makes you so smart? You live in a blue state I guess. LOL.
If we were all as "intelligent" as the men running the world, we would all be extinct by now.
Those who got us into this financial mess weren't hillbillies. Scientists refuting global warming aren't hillbillies. I could go on and on.
Al Gore...well, he just might be a hillbilly.
Someone please explain the Medeval Warm Period (warmer that it is now). Horse farts perhaps?
All of you who question this "Settled Science" have really won my heart. It looks like I'm not the only one who's seen The Great Global Warming Swindle. Bravo.
When the sheep run one way, we turn and look to make sure the greener pastures aren't in the other direction.
http://tinyurl.com/TheGreatGlobalWarmingSwindle
Speaking of horse farts,
I do believe in Global warming!
All that HOT air coming out of Washington!
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Al Gorem
FRAUD?
FAKE?
PHONEY?
LIAR?
SNAKEOIL SALESMAN?
DULLARD?
CHARLATAN?
CON-MAN?
CARNIVAL BARKER?
HUCKSTER?
ELITIST?
ALL AROUND PAIN in the ASS (given)
Pick your favorite or add some!
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Every planet in our solar system is warming up. And i dont think the cause for jupiter getting steadily hotter each years is to bad SUV drivers they have....
Cores of sediments on the seabed indicate that some of these ice shelves had been in place for at least 10,000 years
Global warming is the biggest scam to be put on the entire population. It's the only scam that can be used on a global basis to dictate policy....green enregy BS, wasting of tax $, suppression of up and coming nations. Scary. Using climate of all things as a political tool. Climate change has occured before and will again - not due to the effects of man. It's very arrogant to think that man caused global warming. And no, 99% of scientists don't agree with that worthless Al Gore. Do some research - C'mon Keith, you're smarter than that. I can't believe you buy into this crap.
Oh, No, you're not citing the report by the UN - are you kidding me? The UN is the biggest bullsh!t organization there is. The UN is a small, scary group of people who want to control the world. I'd be careful about citing them as the source of research for man-caused global warming. Don't forget they have an alterior motive for pushing that opinion. Wake up!
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Al Gore
Fraud
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Keith:
Global warming secondary to atmospheric CO2 levels is junk science. Several points in this regard:
1. Atmospheric water vapor content, which varies from 0-3% (v/v), influences temperature far more than CO2, which is present only in ppm (i.e.less than .035%). Water vapor is also superior to CO2 in absorption of infrared radiation and has a higher heat capacity. In short, water vapor influences on atmospheric temperatures totally swamp CO2 influences, by many orders of magnitude. (http://www.nov55.com/wat.html)
2. In his presentation on CO2 levels in arctic ice core samples, Gore incorrectly stated that CO2 levels preceded global temperatures. This is categorically false. Look at the plots: global temperature increases PRECEDED CO2 level increases. This is the false kernel of the global warming theory. In fact, oceanic dissolved CO2 is released into the atmosphere in response to rising temperatures (e.g. Boyles law). CO2 content of present day oceans far exceeds man-made CO2, by several orders of magnitude.
For the record, global temperatures have been dropping for over ten years. They are dropping because of declining solar activity and reduced infrared radiation from the sun.
Keith:
Global warming secondary to atmospheric CO2 levels is junk science. Several points in this regard:
1. Atmospheric water vapor content, which varies from 0-3% (v/v), influences temperature far more than CO2, which is present only in ppm (i.e.less than .035%). Water vapor is also superior to CO2 in absorption of infrared radiation and has a higher heat capacity. In short, water vapor influences on atmospheric temperatures totally swamp CO2 influences, by many orders of magnitude. (http://www.nov55.com/wat.html)
2. In his presentation on CO2 levels in arctic ice core samples, Gore incorrectly stated that CO2 levels preceded global temperatures. This is categorically false. Look at the plots: global temperature increases PRECEDED CO2 level increases. This is the false kernel of the global warming theory. In fact, oceanic dissolved CO2 is released into the atmosphere in response to rising temperatures (e.g. Boyles law). CO2 content of present day oceans far exceeds man-made CO2, by several orders of magnitude.
For the record, global temperatures have been dropping for over ten years. They are dropping because of declining solar activity and reduced infrared radiation from the sun.
Does anyone ever watch "Nova" on PBS? They had an interesting thing on the melting ice.
Come on people -- it is a TV show. You don't have to even read to find out what is going on.
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