There are some adults left in the Republican Party.
Not many.
Some.
And the adults know the truth. That their party has been hijacked by whackos, liars, discredited hacks, con artists, ignoramuses, lobbyists, the military industrial complex and corporations. And that even though the American population's memory is short, and they may soon escape the blame for the economic catastrophe they caused our land, and they may soon escape blame for leading us into an idiotic and unjustifiable war, they won't be able to escape trying to score political points while attempting to sabotage the Obama presidency. They won't be able to escape not working in good faith toward good policy, and good government.
Because, yet again, they failed. Epic fail. Yet again.
They failed their party. They failed their nation. They failed.
And America is better off for it.
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More from Frum, telling it like it is. And if you're a Republican, you should be pissed today, not just at this legislation you're against, but at your party for being total and complete politically incompetent idiots.
"No illusions please: This bill will not be repealed. Even if Republicans scored a 1994 style landslide in November, how many votes could we muster to re-open the “doughnut hole” and charge seniors more for prescription drugs? How many votes to re-allow insurers to rescind policies when they discover a pre-existing condition? How many votes to banish 25 year olds from their parents’ insurance coverage? And even if the votes were there – would President Obama sign such a repeal?
We followed the most radical voices in the party and the movement, and they led us to abject and irreversible defeat.
There were leaders who knew better, who would have liked to deal. But they were trapped. Conservative talkers on Fox and talk radio had whipped the Republican voting base into such a frenzy that deal-making was rendered impossible. How do you negotiate with somebody who wants to murder your grandmother? Or – more exactly – with somebody whom your voters have been persuaded to believe wants to murder their grandmother?"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2476672/posts
And one more quote from Frum. Man, if I said this, you'd all be up in arms. But it's the truth. Cold. Hard. Truth.
"When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds."
Thank you to the GOP, without their insanity, paranoia, corporate loyalty, and blatant disregard for decency and fellow Americans this legislation would not have been possible. So from all the "Dems/liberals/progressives/communists/socialists/atheist baby killers" to the GOP/Conservative/Fox News/Rush & Beck/Teabaggers we owe you a beer, keep up the good work! We couldn't have done it without you wackos.
Well yeah, of course. Beck, Limbo, et al were PRAYING this bill would pass. So now they have much much more to bitch about and moan about and rally the 'troops' about. Oh yes, this is gold - gold, baby - for those knuckleheads. I smell RATINGS!!
I weep for this country.
I already stated yesterday, just not on here, that should the bill pass I place 60% of the blame in the faux conservative incompetent republican leadership of the last decade.
Now that I got that out of the way, Keith you may want to be very careful about making the same mistake following the democrats as you are. This bill is full of avenues for handouts to organizations such as Acorn.
PG 50 Section 152 —HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise. PG 65 Sec
164 —Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Congratulations Keith! You get the joy of seeing the Republican party defeated. I for one am not excited to sell the soul of this country and men to see the defeat of a worthless party. You my friend may want to check yourself.
In "war on terror" parlance, the Republican Party has suffered widespread collateral damage from the bombastic detonations of Rush Limbaugh's Corporate Sloganeering Task Force.
In corporate parlance, the brand is tarnished beyond redemption (ala AIG) and any remaining good will has been fully deducted prior to dissolution of its charter.
And from the ashes of its demise shall arise a New & Improved! version of its former 'self' -- the Rogue Party!?
It is really funny to hear the hubris in these people. They think that they have any political power left, that they can change the outcome of the Novermber election.
These people are out of touch with reality, and they never learn.
"What he omitted to say – but what is equally true..."
So what you are saying, Keith, when you refer to the above being cold hard truth, is that you and Frum are mind-readers? Wow! You two are amazing.
America needs a new opposition party, now that the Republican party is epic fail.
Not the tea baggers. Not angry white ignorant religious racist fools.
No, the opposition party should be a Barry Goldwater, Ron Paul, Ronald Reagan, intellectual, limited government, limited spending, limited military, anti-taxation party. With no religious crap. No racist crap. No ignorance crap.
They should be a pro-women, pro-science, pro-drug, pro-gays, pro-constitution, pro-individual-liberty, pro-gun party.
They should be for pulling all US troops out of all foreign lands. All of them. They should be for raising the retirement age to 75. And making medicare/medicaid solvent. They should be for states rights, energy independence, mass transit, and the environment.
It can be done. The Republicans, under the control of Fox, Limbaugh, Hannity, Boehner, McConnell, McCain, Palin, Ailes, Rove, Armey and Cheney are dead. D.E.A.D. dead. Stick a fork in 'em.
America needs a new party. If anything good comes of this, it'll be the death of the Republican Party, and the rise of what I described.
I don't have much hope.
Jim Kunstler, a doom-blogger and no fan of the Dimwitocrats, rips the Repukes a jagged new asshole for being "enemies of every generous impulse in the national character" over their hard-hearted opposition to anything that might help Americans get health care."
His summary of the Repiglickin' Party: "a party that hates everything but believes in absolutely nothing." Which also applies to many of your commenters, Keith.
"No, the opposition party should be a Barry Goldwater, Ron Paul, Ronald Reagan, intellectual, limited government, limited spending, limited military, anti-taxation party."
Why so you can half support them and then jump ship and support the exact opposite?
Keith, your post at
March 22, 2010 6:42 PM
is exactly the kind of party I would like to see in this country. And exactly the kind of party that won't appear without a civil war. The Statist Left and the Statist Right hold all the cards and play a classic two-man con. Ask Ross Perot about our chances of getting a socially liberal, fiscally conservative man of integrity into a presidential debate. Ask the Daughters of the American Revolution.
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America needs a new opposition party, now that the Republican party is epic fail.
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Keith,
Who was the last Senator to win Massachusetts? Come on Keith, you can answer this one!
The democrats have no idea how mad people are in this country. Just wait until November!
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/03/22-1
Keith,
What happened to you? It's hard to believe you once wrote http://housingpanic.blogspot.com/2007/12/ron-paul-december-16th-tea-party-money.html and http://housingpanic.blogspot.com/2008/11/people-of-united-states-it-is-time-to.html.
I worry you lost to fear. The power elite can always push the fear button (of the left, the right, the immigrants, drugs, diseases, high medical bills, pollution, etc, ) to get more control over our lives. They promise solutions that never solve anything, but manages to chip away at our privacy, independence, finances, and ultimately our freedom.
I can't imagine that any bill over 20 pages is good for the American public. I read 230 pages into the bill and had to stop. It's too sad.
If your current medical coverage is not as encompassing as that in the bill, you will not be able to keep it or you will pay a fine.
If you current medical coverage is more encompassing than that in the bill, you will have to change it or pay a fine.
Thanks to this bill your medical records will be in a government database.
The corrupt politicians ensured that they are exempt from this bill. That tells you how good it is.
Well just over 7 months to go...
In the meantime I will look to the court challenges with interest.
Perhaps Keith you could leave your Blue State of mind for a moment and give us a REAL poll on this site.
Will the mandate be overturned by the SC?
This is the only real question. How about and article on the 36 states with pending legislation to block this boondoggle?
Or you could just keep posting bullshit polls and duck the issue. It's your site LOL
"Sometimes politics isn't about winning or losing an election. Sometimes it's about making a stand. Sometimes it's about planting the seeds for a future run. Sometimes it's about standing up for what is right, or fighting against what is wrong.
And that's where we are with Ron Paul 2008."
What happened to it isn't about winning? All you want to do is win against the GOP no matter how evil the win is.
Anon March 22, 2010 7:34 PM,
did you even read your own link? The first one links to the post where Keith states:
'The Republican party has been hijacked by religious jihadists, who don't care about fiscal policy, or limited government, or businesses, or taxpayers.'
He was exactly right abut the party being hijacked!! Who was it that did the hijacking? GWB, The limbaughs and hannitys, pat robertson, then came sarah palin. And another thing: Both parties, right and left, will pull out on every election season, their old tired hot button issues to fan your flames and get you fired up. They will tell you they stand with you, that they are gonna do something about these issues, but election after election season passes and these things get put back in the closet and saved for another day. Gun control, abortion, gay marraige. Meanwhile rome burns and here is everyone talking about who should be allowed to marry who and who wants to take who's guns. I have learned that when you hear a republican talk about limited govt or how Jesus is their savior, i think to myself "yeah, right".
These tea partiers are gonna find themselves some politician who knows what words to speak, what to say and what to do, how to do it, and then he (she?) will turn around once in office and do the opposite because, as the saying goes, "where is the base gonna turn to?". They know these people will never vote for a guy with a "D" in front of their names! Clinton did the same thing with his base in pursuing a war in bosnia, its a known technique! All politicians do it! With the republicans, they need a 20 year (at least) journey in the wilderness to really contemplate what damage they did. If it kills the party so be it, may a better one come from it. But they are gonna have to do more than just get people screaming into megaphones at town hall meetings about slowing the size of govt and bringing the whole country back to Jesus and how these guys with r in front of their names are oh so wholesome posing for photographs with their wife and kids to get my trust back. At least with Obama, he did deliver health care reform, whether you like it or not. he is actually doing what he said he would do.
-JDF
Where am I at right now with this. I have a 10 paper due tonight in my class working towards my MBA, and a pile of crap on my desk at work. I have no motivation to do any of it. Why? So people like this can get the fruit of my labor?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ojd13kZlCA
I'm just waiting for flag burning, and the need for a flag burning amendment, to be the hot issue in 2010.
A good chunk of Americans are stupid and easily fooled. And the GOP knows it. The only question is, will 50.1.%+ of people who show up at the polls know they're being taken for fools (again)?
“We will not allow this to stand,” Representative Michele Bachman, Republican of Minnesota, promised Monday afternoon as the House reconvened.
Keep shooting blanks, lady. This is not going to go anywhere, but as long as it keeps you busy -- knock yourself out. Meanwhile, the grownups will continue to get useful work done.
1) We live in a two-party system. It is the result of winner-take-all elections etc. but you have to face the reality that it exists.
2) We must change the system from within. It is futile to mount a revolution or reform when our system easily accomodate this.
3) It is easy to see where both parties stand when you remove the dogma and ideology.
4) Welcome to the Democratic Party.
Amazing how the wingnut commenters here are now all clinging to the hope that the Supreme Court will overturn the health care bill. Never mind that this is completely outside of their purview or authority - the right wing has become sufficiently desperate to pin all their hopes on "Activist Supreme Court Justices" making legislation from the bench.
It's completely irrational and contradictory, but the dimwits hear it on Fox, and start parroting it. Which is about the whole tone, tenor & substance of their contributions to this conversation. Keith - how 'bout you just install an RSS feed to the comments from Stormfront, and cut out the middlemen?
I don't have the benefit of watching live cnn/fox/msnbc here, but I'd imagine Fox is all about repeal, and states overturning and all kinds of crazy theories.
they lost. a generational loss. they'll pick up seats in november, but on policy, they just lost like I've never seen a party lose.
but i doubt you'd get that watching their coverage.
this will not be repealed. tell a 23 year old that he is no longer covered on his parents insurance. tell someone with cancer that their insurance, care of the gop, will now be repealed. tell a family paying $10000 a year that they'll now be paying $50000 a year.
Will. Not. Happen.
But, just goes to show, republicans are stupid.
I think after Obama spit in the face of the SCourt at the state of the union. The free speech block is now gonna be the free from mandates block.
Give us a poll Keith. At least a thread let's get everyone's predictions now LOL
And though we disagree now I look forward to happy times again when the second wave of this W recession gets underway. We seem to have a more harmonious environment here when railing against the FED and such.
Stay cool Keith ;-)
"The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can throw the rascals out at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies." - Carroll Quigley
Anonymous March 22, 2010 8:53 PM,
Of course I read the link,I left the "left-right" paradigm a long time ago.
I realized that it doesn't matter whether the Democrats or Republicans are in power; we'll still have the war on drugs, patriot act (just got renewed), corporatism, and nanny state and big brother policies.
I've been following this blog long enough to observe that Keith was an early Ron Paul supporter, but then he dumped the good doctor and started his bromance with the Messiah. That has apparently ended, and now he is proposing a new party that is similar to Ron Paul's 2008 platform.
So, Keith needs to figure out what he stands for and stick with it. He'd gain some credibility, which he seems to lack now.
Until then, keep the comedy coming. It's very entertaining.
Oh Keith....
When the world comes to a crashing end. You will smile at the Social Justice. For while the simple man will go without food. The rich will also know hunger.
And Obama will smile too.
A great victory Keith, man did you call it. And quoting Frum on Republican strategy, wow genius squared! That's like quoting Einstein on the merits of various knots for fish nets. Anyway, whoohoo! we all get the nice fat sausage that Nancy and Harry stuffed for us. I sure hope they put some Vaseline on it.
Me? I'm going to take the "serious" and "practical" approach that I'm sure any good Democrat would both advise and approve. I'll just pay the Feds their fucking $1500 fine and not bother carry any insurance at all. The money I save will go into purchasing more plastic shit from China. If I do get ill in a serious way, hey no problem, I'll sign up for a policy then and there - they can't stop me. Keith, I'm sure you and a few others won't mind chipping in to pay that $300K for my quadruple bypass. Of course no one else will think of this ruse (you S&Aers keep it quiet, OK?) so Mr. Obama's deficit-reducin', CBO/OMB cypherin', miracle will not be affected one bit by my irresponsibility.
Damn it's so nice to be able to have my cake and eat it too!
Healthcare passed and the world didn't collapse. . .the TeaBaggers are now reading the summary of healthcare, and can't seem to find the word "socialist" anywhere. . .by November they will be complaining about something else anyway - especially when Rush is broadcasting from Costa Rica - he IS leaving isn't he?????
My guess - Gay Marriage - especially if the California judge rules Prop 8 illegal. . . that, or maybe a big scandal on IDOL when they find out someone was sleeping with a judge. . .horrors!!!!!!!!!!!
HA! David Frum thinks the economy is going to be much improved by November.
Isn't it great when someone utters words that let you see their exact level of cluelessness. Priceless!
Though I do agree with much of the main point. However the left uses anger every day, all day long also.
I guess both sides use it to drum up dollars. And that's the main reason we're screwed.
Freepers are a hoot.
Especially like the waxing romantic about "robust defense, small government"(sic), and the guy publishing he wants to "bring down the United States Federal government. We will start by crippling the military enforcement mechanism so that the advantage will be held more locally by the men still armed..."
Not the sharpest tools in the shed there.
"No, the opposition party should be a Barry Goldwater, Ron Paul, Ronald Reagan, intellectual, limited government, limited spending, limited military, anti-taxation party. With no religious crap. No racist crap. No ignorance crap.
They should be a pro-women, pro-science, pro-drug, pro-gays, pro-constitution, pro-individual-liberty, pro-gun party.
They should be for pulling all US troops out of all foreign lands. All of them. They should be for raising the retirement age to 75. And making medicare/medicaid solvent. They should be for states rights, energy independence, mass transit, and the environment."
Keith, do you have split personality disorder? You say you supported limited government, liberty, and the constitution...yet you're an Obama sycophant. Is there another person in US politics or history that is more statist than Obama????
You said..."No, the opposition party should be a Barry Goldwater, Ron Paul, Ronald Reagan, intellectual, limited government, limited spending, limited military, anti-taxation party. With no religious crap. No racist crap. No ignorance crap.
They should be a pro-women, pro-science, pro-drug, pro-gays, pro-constitution, pro-individual-liberty, pro-gun party."
We're called progressives, and we were born out of the disaster called W.
You've forgotten to make the point that it took the worst presidency and worst war in our modern history to yield the complete collapse of the Republicans and the outcome seen yesterday.
But, we are out here, and we'll hold the Democrats feet to the flame, when necessary. For now, however, as you said last week, we're not throwing our votes away, and we're not voting for R's, so....
12/21/12 .... quietly waiting
I don't agree with Ron Paul on everything.
I don't agree with Obama on everything.
And I definitely don't agree with John Boehner, on, we'll pretty much anything.
It's called being an independent. Call it like I see it, issue by issue, candidate by candidate.
Too bad most of America likes being told what to think (by their political party, by their church, by their televisions). But I guess our monkey brains are hard-wired that way.
Keith,
Here is your boy Peter Schiff! Telling you how it is!
Repealing Health Care! Eat on that Keith!!!
What do you have to say about that? You support this guy and this guy is totally against this bill. What the hell happen to you?
http://tinyurl.com/yjyl6wr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKeqwD4Nno8
http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/last-hurrah
Last Hurrah
Scenes from the Republican implosion.
"I think after Obama spit in the face of the SCourt"
Not Clarence Thomas. He didn't even bother to show up.
" when Rush is broadcasting from Costa Rica - he IS leaving isn't he?????"
I am shocked. I thought that Rush preferred sex toursim destinations like the Dominican Republic, where he can romp with little boys, and bring back all the Viagra he can fit into his suitcase?
Politics makes strange bedfellows.
(Somehow I hear a campaign slogan for same-sex marraige in that.)
Keith said...
"No, the opposition party should be a Barry Goldwater, Ron Paul, Ronald Reagan, intellectual, limited government, limited spending, limited military, anti-taxation party. With no religious crap. No racist crap. No ignorance crap.
They should be a pro-women, pro-science, pro-drug, pro-gays, pro-constitution, pro-individual-liberty, pro-gun party.
They should be for pulling all US troops out of all foreign lands. All of them. They should be for raising the retirement age to 75. And making medicare/medicaid solvent. They should be for states rights, energy independence, mass transit, and the environment."
Keith, what are you doing with Ray-gun's name on that list? He's the bastard who made it OK for the U.S. to invade other countries again, starting with Grenada. I'm old enough to remember how shocked my fellow leftists were when that happened. It was like "Oh my God, have we learned nothing from getting our asses kicked in Vietnam?"
Now, thanks to senile Ronnie lowering the bar with shit like the dirty war against peasants in Central America, the U.S. is fighting brown and yellow people in every continent except Antarctica. Maybe not in Australia, either, although I wouldn't be surprised if they have some black site prisons in the desert there.
And Limited government? Reagan who ballooned the federal deficit and hypertrophied the military? Limited taxation -- the Reagan who boosted the Social Security tax? (I favour that part of his legacy, actually.) No ignorance? A guy who suffered senile dementia in office and let Bush the First actually run the government for at least six years?
I could go on. You need to rethink your notions about St. Ronnie.
Keith,
What, if anything, would you change about this bill if you could? Thanks.
I didn't say I'd support that new opposition party.
My point is that a new opposition party is needed, now that the GOP is dangerously corrupt, irrelevant, ignorant and incompetent.
Ims - what I'd change? Where do you start. For one there needs to be a nationwide non-profit insurance option. You need to put serious constraints on malpractice and trial lawyers. There needs to be a jihad against medicare/medicaid fraud. And every single state or local kickback needs to be eliminated.
But I'm actually much, much, much more interested in social security and medicaid/medicare - that's the BIG problem facing this country - a $51 trillion problem. This has to be addressed now. Next. Social Security is easy to fix - up the retirement age. Medicaid/Medicare not so much. Something's gotta give, or else we'll be paying 70% taxes soon enough.
Bukko,
thats another thing i have noticed. In the last republican primary season I saw the reps falling over each other for the "reagan" mantle, they all wanna be the next reagan republican. The head scratcher is that reagan was basically a keynesian, but instead of having the government build roads, bridges, invest in education, you could still get a stimulative effect from bloating up on military spending and the MIC. Its still government spending, still puts people in jobs, still spreads some wealth around (like to your political donors), but it just feels more manly instead of that wussy liberal feel good crap, plus its cool to blow things up (regardless if there are people including whole families, in those things you do blow up). And like you mentioned, reagan raised taxes! in reality, reagan was alot like clinton, he knew the words to speak to make peaople feel better about something, but was able to turn around and act very differently, even like a democrat in a very perverse sort of way. and now long after he's dead people still love him and think things of him that were never true! Amazing really...
-JDF
"Anonymous 3-22-10 8:53 PM said......when you hear a republican talk about limited govt or how Jesus is their savior, i think to myself "yeah, right"..."
"...Lost Cause said...
...2) We must change the system from within...our system easily accomodate[s] this..."
Not THAT was good one; keep 'em coming!
And to all the CLUELESS posting dead links...You're high if you think anybody is fumbling with that shit.
It is very easy to MAKE THEM CLICKABLE. If you'd like people to read what you have to say, how about making it possible?
$20,000 to insure a family now? No catastrophic insurance option?
It sure looks like I won't be coming back to the US. How about you, Keefer?
It's a simple idea: global cost competitiveness, I choose where to live that gives the best value for money. The USA is dropping like a stone down that list.
-Mike
I didn't say I'd support that new opposition party.
My point is that a new opposition party is needed, now that the GOP is dangerously corrupt, irrelevant, ignorant and incompetent.
Ims - what I'd change? Where do you start. For one there needs to be a nationwide non-profit insurance option. You need to put serious constraints on malpractice and trial lawyers. There needs to be a jihad against medicare/medicaid fraud. And every single state or local kickback needs to be eliminated.
But I'm actually much, much, much more interested in social security and medicaid/medicare - that's the BIG problem facing this country - a $51 trillion problem. This has to be addressed now. Next. Social Security is easy to fix - up the retirement age. Medicaid/Medicare not so much. Something's gotta give, or else we'll be paying 70% taxes soon enough.
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But you support the Health Care Bill Entitlement, this bill will be most costlier then Social Security and you know it!
"Something's gotta give, or else we'll be paying 70% taxes soon enough."
You need to pay attention Keith. Middle class people living in NY, CA, NJ already face tax rates that high. Government teat-pullers like Bukko will say "So what?, let the bastards pay for the less fortunate". Now that government payrolls in the U.S. exceed private payrolls, some say we have crossed an event horizon of sorts. Obama and his cronies (leftists and NY bankers, LOL) see it as a sign of success. Keith, the people you like to disparage are largely among the 25% of productive workers who pay the taxes to support an ever-growing army of unproductive leeches.
At some point they will rise up and say "No more!". Guns will come out on both sides. It will be ugly.
@ MrHappy
Way to speak the truth. It's the worst kept secret out there and precisely what most rational people will do:
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/2109-Health-Care-Arbitrage-Obama-And-The-Dems.html
The real purpose of this legislation is to implode the private insurance industry so the people demand a government solution. That solution will be a single payer government run system identical to the one in Canada and the UK, complete with rationing by fiat, "service" by government functionaries who don't give a shit, and long wait times for everything. Canadians have been escaping here for years when they don't want (or can't) wait for needed care. Where will we escape? Singapore and India are long flights away.
Now the scary part, (for the racist tea bagger party)... that if Obama gives voting rights to illegal imigrants there will never be another white President of the United States. This is what the Baggers fear most!
I expect Rush to let the cat out the bag in 48 hours or so.
RayNLA
"They should be for raising the retirement age to 75."
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I don't know how old you are Keith, but I'm 57 and it's a lot different then being 50. I can imagine that 67 will be A LOT DIFFERENT then being 57.Stuff just stops working as well no matter how well you try and take care of yourself. Most people will be dead before 75. Is that your idea? Just think that's a little harsh.
Do you just want to completely do away with social security altogether?
That's not good.
Retirement at 75 phased in by 2050. As long as you give people enough warning, they can plan for it.
Want to retire at 65? Fine. Just save enough to live off of for the 10 years you're not covered.
2050 75 would mean people 35 years old would be the first to hit that. Fine. They've got 30 years of productive working life left. Get to work.
I wish people could retire at 40. The math just ain't there. And it's high time our government level with the American people, vs. treating them like children.
a true conservative said...
I've been following this blog long enough to observe that Keith was an early Ron Paul supporter, but then he dumped the good doctor and started his bromance with the Messiah. That has apparently ended, and now he is proposing a new party that is similar to Ron Paul's 2008 platform.
So, Keith needs to figure out what he stands for and stick with it. He'd gain some credibility, which he seems to lack now.
Until then, keep the comedy coming. It's very entertaining.
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True Conservative,
You just described the problem with the Republican Party...Ignorance!
RayNLA
Denninger, is right on as he wrote in his blog today
"If your value in the marketplace is $20/hour, with a 2,000 hour man-year of work (50 weeks x 40 hours/week) your economic value in the economy is $40,000 (gross.) From this your employer is going to have to take $10,000 out to avoid being fined, which means you now make $15/hour. Then you pay taxes (FICA and Medicare) on that. You'll likely get back the rest of your federal income tax (especially if you have a family) but your out-of-pocket medical expenses will still be that $10,000 either way.
So now you've got $30,000/year less about $2,300 in Medicare and FICA tax, and from that you subtract the co-pays and deductibles of $10,000. You're left with about $18,000 to live on, or about $1,500 a month for your family of four.
This sounds like "Christmas"?
The clue-stick coming to whack these folks upside the head just as did the people who said "I don't have to worry about putting gas in my car or paying my mortgage!" will lead to some rather extreme emotions, I suspect, when the truth becomes apparent."
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/
An Open Letter to President Barack H. Obama
March 23, 2010
Dear President Obama,
Well done.
Sincerely Yours,
Theodore Roosevelt
Woodrow Wilson
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Harry S. Truman
Dwight D. Eisenhower
John F. Kennedy
Lyndon B. Johnson
Richard M. Nixon
James E. Carter
William J. Clinton
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cc: William H. Taft
Warren G. Harding
Calvin Coolidge
Herbert C. Hoover
Gerald R. Ford
Ronald W. Reagan
George H.W. Bush
George W. Bush
Clue sticks - LOL
Looks like they will be standard issue for the IRS field agents in its new role.
Ouch! that hurts! Thank you Mr. Obama, may I have another? Ouch!
Keith,
If you are 35 now that's another 40 years of work, not 30. Correct your math, my boy.
And what about the cushy gov't jobs where you get full pension after 20 years? That going to increase to 40 or 50 years?
You think your boy Obama is going to talk about that? Didn't think so.
-Mike
Frum is the one of the biggiest Neocon (i.e. ex-Trotskyist communists) big-government advocates in the Demo-publican Party.
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
Winston Churchill
"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide."
John Adams
long after he's dead people still love him and think things of him that were never true
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A political Messiah is the hope of the Fool!
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"Ronald Reagan, intellectual, limited government, limited spending, limited military"????
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I LOVE hearing people who must have been born after 1980, talk about Ray-gun! HILARIOUS!
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