December 10, 2008

Soot and Ashes Quote of the Day

"All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood"

- The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Adopted and proclaimed by General Assembly, 10 December 1948, and still sadly ignored by America as of December 2008

24 comments:

Bali Girl said...

Yeah Keith it's ignored by Americans. But it's sure as shit ignored by many, MANY other countries. So what's the particular beef du jour?

Anonymous said...

Thats right, we need to learn from......
hmmm what other country?

Anonymous said...

infidels not included

Anonymous said...

Ya Keith, that's right: Hate America...take a look at our own gov founding docs and declarations and then try to stir up anti US sentiment with more of your whining.

keith said...

My point is this - it's time for straight people to stand up for the civil rights of gay people.

Not doing so is shameful.

And it not only ignores the UN's declaration of civil rights (happy 60th yesterday), it ignores our own constitution.

And the people who are against legal civil unions for gays know it. They have no legal grounds to stand on. Or moral grounds.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

And the point about other countries being much worse is a sad point. Defend your own bad behavior because someone else is worse? Again, shameful. And you know it.

Anonymous said...

Only individuals have rights under the U.S. Constitution. Groups have always been seeking special attention in the courts and it's ultimately a dumb move to grant their wishes.

Gay individuals have the same rights under law as any citizen, but I'll be damned if they expect me to support special or protected status because of what they choose to do with their genitals. The issue of gay marriage is a straw man argument, and their real goal IMO is elimination of any concepts of degeneracy.

Anonymous said...

If I go gay, you die!

duarte said...

Is all societal behavior healthy for a civilization long-term? Families? Single-parent families? Gay Parent families? Polygamous families?

What about war? All other human endeavor pales in comparison to armed conflict. Is it a form of evolutionary punctuated equilibrium when one society destroys another?

Who's to say?

To change the definition of marriage may well harm modern culture. It will clearly change the concept of "family". Will it not?

While people with certain genetic make-ups may be proven to have gay tendencies, not all gay people have that DNA make-up. It is also a behavior that can be "chosen". The same is not true of being male or female; black or white; Hispanic or Asian; For that reason alone, many heterosexuals are concerned that legalization of gay marriage would in fact encourage that behavior in children who only have developmental sexual identity issues - and not any specific genetic tendency toward not reproducing.

If it's true that most gay people in the past married heterosexually due to societal pressures, it may well be that the wide spread acceptance of gay marriage would, in fact, rapidly reduce the population of gays on earth. Due to lack of reproduction.

In my opinion, the future holds much deeper philisophical pitfalls for the human race. Wait until babies start to be designed with certain traits in mind. Gattaca anyone?

401Krater said...

The attached article references the UDHR. In summary, there are have been recent United Nations resolutions which will try to censor free speech on the internet. This international law will apply to anyone in any country. Scary reading.

http://tinyurl.com/5brwhj

Wally said...

I don't get how this relates to gay marriage or really anything in today's news other than Gov. Blow-a-vich denying the rights of the citizens of Illinois a fair appointment to the US Senate

Stick to the bubble denier quotes

Anonymous said...

it is kind of like the saying (i am going to butcher it badly but here goes)

Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried.

the united states is the worst failure of supporting the UN declaration, except for all those other countries.

Anonymous said...

And the people who are against legal civil unions for gays know it. They have no legal grounds to stand on. Or moral grounds.
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are they really being denied rights? I have heard mentioned many times that many of the same rights (if not all) of married couples can be had via other legal means. is that true or not? it may take a little more effort but if it is true then they aren't really being denied "rights". they are just being force to put in more effort, which still isn't fair.

And any way, they are fighting for the wrong thing. they will never win fighting for the right to marry because marry is a religious thing. they ought to radically change the rules of the game because they aren't winning. they need to work to get government out of supporting a religious ceremony.

If the government issued civil union contracts then their position would be much stronger.

Anonymous said...

And the point about other countries being much worse is a sad point. Defend your own bad behavior because someone else is worse? Again, shameful. And you know it.
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ah, but you missed the point, just like you badgered them for doing. the point was that our system is the best in the world. is it perfect? no. can it be better? yes. will it ever be perfect? it should be but probably will never happen. should we stop striving to be better just because we are better than everyone else? absolutely not.

Anonymous said...

oh, the un is sooooo perfect. i wonder how a vote for support of gay marriage in the general assembly would turn out.

Anonymous said...

argggg! you gay-rolled me! (rick-rolled)

I thought this post was about something else and I clicked through only to find out it is about gay marriage!

Anonymous said...

i think you need to start a new blog in support of gay rights. h8nashes? h8nsoot? securing gay marriage after the crash.

image009 said...

Being an HPer and recognizing the housing bubble does not necessarily translate to enlightened thinking in other realms, Keith. You should get used to the idea that many of your readers/posters here are just backwards hillbillies.

Bukko_in_Australia said...

You sure have some human-hating commenters on your blog. If it's about "human rights" or "the United Nations" or "other countries" it brings out the "I hate those commiefagweaklings" in people. Yeah, aspiring to make things better is pussy, isn't it, all you macho tuffguys?

You'd like Oz for how it deals with gays. "Marriage" per se is not legal, although the Australian Capital Territory (a chunk of land around Canberra which has similar legal status to Washington, D.C.) tried it but was overruled by John Howard. But gays are steadily gaining equal legal rights to straights, including the right to shared government benefits.

People here generally don't give a shit who's gay. They find it amusing, like any personal quirk, but not threatening. Even the sticky-carpet pub around the corner from my house, a place where bogans (Aussie slang for "greasers") listen to loud 'n' dirty rock in the front room, has a gay disco upstairs. And there's no fights between the two clienteles. (It tends to be bogan vs. bogan, because a drunk Aussie is just as you'd expect...)

keith said...

This thread was supposed to be about the 60th anniversary of the UN Declaration of Human Rights

Today's cause du jour though on the equal rights front is gay rights. It was women's rights before, and rights for minorities, and rights for handicapped (oops, americans with disabilities). Tomorrow it will be something else.

Bottom line - you cannot legally infringe on the equal rights of another person for too long. Eventually the law catches up to discriminators.

And what's especially gross about this current gay rights debate is it's about a majority seeking to discriminate against a class based on their religious beliefs.

230 years later, we're still fighting that stupid battle.

What's especially funny is that straight people get nervous standing up for gay rights otherwise we get called gay or gay sympathizers.

I seriously could care less what two gay people do inside their homes. I could care less. Just like I could care less what black people do or women do or paraplegics do.

What I care about is when the country, in my name, legally discriminates against my fellow man. Or woman.

It's wrong, it's always been wrong, and it will always be wrong. And 100 years from now, this little battle will be just as sad and just as disgusting as the battle over the rights of blacks to marry whites, or the rights of women to vote.

This will be settled law within 10 years. Gays will have the same civil union rights as straights. And churches will be able to marry whoever the f*ck they want.

It hath been foretold.

Anonymous said...

Totally agree, Keith. I am a black man and am discriminated against every day.

Anonymous said...

what about all the victims of the very institution you quote? dare you to look up its scandals.

Anonymous said...

Sure, everyone is born equal, but as we progress through life some become more equal than others.

And, as you get older and find that you do not have certain connections to make your self more equal that the rest of the people, then you better get your ass in gear if you want to break away from the pack.

duarte said...

If it all just stayed in the bedroom we'd be fine, but gay marriage isn't about the bedroom - or the benefits of civil unions (which are legal in most states). It is about elementary school. It's about what other people teach my kids when they are in second grade. It is like every part of the battle between secular progressivism and conservatism.

It is about my daughter's second grade teacher asking her to please not wish the other students a Merry Christmas. It is about that same teacher terrifying the kids about the melting polar ice caps. It is also about telling 7 year old boys, who don't like playing with girls (because they have cooties) that they may NEVER want to play with girls - even when they grow up. Sound absurd? It all happened. Oh, the enlightened Blue States!

Until we can tell the difference between genetic tendency and social encouragement, you shouldn't force a redefinition of marriage on the children.

Anonymous said...

If it all just stayed in the bedroom we'd be fine, but gay marriage isn't about the bedroom - or the benefits of civil unions (which are legal in most states). It is about elementary school. It's about what other people teach my kids when they are in second grade. It is like every part of the battle between secular progressivism and conservatism.
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yep. that is what the battle really is about, isn't it?