January 19, 2009
Will the United States investigate and prosecute George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and gang? Should we?
George W. Bush brought shame to America, and to all Americans. He eliminated habeas corpus. He destroyed the rule of law. He tortured in our name. He let the criminals run free. And we let him.
So far.
This is a pivotal moral test for America.
Will we be a bankrupt nation that is also bankrupt morally?
Or will we be a bankrupt nation that at least kept its morals?
(note - Bush is hours away from issuing blanket pardons for Cheney, Gonzales, Rumsfeld and others. That should not matter. Investigations should be launched. Prosecutions should be conducted. Justice should be served)
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Keefer,
were to begin?
Have you totaly lost it?
Its like = '5 more minutes of Bush bashing'
Lets go at it
Al- queefie
stop with the Eurotrash already
you're giving us a headache
Seriously? You're still harping on this.
Come on man, I like you, but get over it already. I'm not whining about what some ex-gf did to me 5 years ago.
Your guy will become president tomorrow. Be happy. Get over it. Bush isn't the boogeyman. Really, he isn't, regardless of what they're telling you at CNN and MSNBC.
"He eliminated habeas corpus."
That's a new one on me. Perhaps you have Bush confused with Abraham Lincoln.
As for show trials of the previous ruler, we don't want to set that precedent. First, it makes Barak Obama just another African thug like Robert Mugabe, and, second -- speaking of Mugabe -- Obama knows full well he'll be thrown out of office in 2012 on the back of 1,500 percent inflation, 50 million unemployed, and a barely contained civil war.
So under those circumstances, I doubt Obama wants to pave the path to his own show trial (or lynching).
You Dems just want a get back after Clinton was impeached!
Do Not Listen to the prior bleeding heart liberal pussy posters. They are exactly why America is seen as a greedy little whiny corrupt distrustful nation.
Fuck Bushco and Cheneyburton and their entire crew of conspirators.
They are GUILTY and MUST BE PUNISHED.
When found guilty, Hang Them High and Publicly. ALL OF THEM.
God Bless America. Punish the Guilty.
Your Children and Grandchildren and their children and grandchildren paying for the TARP scandal of '08-09 will Thank you for it.
and one last time:
FUCK BUSH & CHENEY
WORST EVER.
John S,
Have you been asleep for the past 6 years?
Al-Marri v. Pucciarelli is the key decision by 4th circuit U.S. Court of Appeals. (Note: the decision wasn't about Al-Marri's actual charges (or lack thereof) since habeas corpus is dead so he isn't getting a trial - it was a challenge to the fact that he wasn't getting a trial).
Summary:
Al-Marri was legally in the United States with his Wife and kids doing a Masters at Bradley University in Illinois. He was arrested in December 2001 and indited for credit card fraud and false ID.
On June 23 2003, before his trial had started and the day before a hearing about whether a search and seizure was done illegally (and hence inadmissible), President Bush declared him an enemy combatant and he was taken to a Navy brig.
Over 5 years later he is still in that Navy brig being held without charge. And was held incommunicado for the first year and half.
Habeas corpus my ass.
Though "conservatives" have really set some wheels in motion they didn't think too hard about, here's the current state of play:
* Presidential power has increased dramatically under Bush.
* The economy is imploding.
* A charismatic personality cult liberal has been elected President (i.e. the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few)
See Stalin and Hitler for what happens when you put a strong willed charismatic leader in charge during an economic collapse with unchecked power.
Bush deserves a noble prize for his economic plan.He helped a lot of people get homes and new flat screens.this man is a saint.Did you guys know he got a new chainsaw for xmas ,no shit?
If they broke the law they should be prosecuted. But BO won't do it, because he has been given the Presidential National Security Briefing and has no doubt discovered just how dirty the Democrats really are. Ah, the brilliance of the balance of power. Now, you know why Bush looks so relaxed.
the inconvenient fact is that the world is overpopulated. so adding Saddam Husein's body onto the stack of a million other Iraq bodies didn't change the world that much.
adding Bush's body to the pile won't do much either.
the world will still have 450 million+ folks living below poverty in India, etc...
Ha ha ha said:
‘the world will still have 450 million+ folks living below poverty in India, etc...’
But, but, Mr. Keeferoonie isn’t saying anything bout the leaders of India.
This has become a 1 issue blog
“Bash Bush and America” - Euro style
Reading this blog one can get the impression that world is perfect and there is this one menace called USA.
Oh wait; there is a wee bit of positive spin that goes like this.
Although the US is an evil empire there is the possibility that their new President will change things more to the liking of the ‘international community’.
Basically saying the ‘world hypocrites’ are hoping BO is a whimp and will sail the winds generated by the UN permo global crisis crowd.
Am really beginning to question the intelligence level here.
yes and I wish congress would be investigated too while we are at it.
So... how can someone be pardoned before they've been charged?... "I hereby pardon myself for anything that where-ever may-ever be forever possibly never-ever and not ever stick like glue-ism, I am rubber". WTF?
"Your guy"... Dude, its not a team sport... Its not that Bush is or isn't a boogeyman, its that he broke the law. Repeatedly. Blatantly. In many many ways. I would have thought that would clear enough to any mature rational adult.
"That's a new one on me." And... where have you been for the past 5 years? "Show trials"... how much more clear can this all be? He Broke The Law. Repeatedly. Blatantly. Are there to be no repercussions?
Bush's blanket pardon has been supersized to a TARP pardon.
To expand on the baseball analogy...the Congressional game of accountability/justice has been 'rained out' by a Treasury downpour of epic proportions.
Will Bushco be prosecuted....no.
Should Bushco be prosecuted....ABSOLUTELY!!!
Accountability is the root cause of everythings that ails us. No accountability means "anything goes" (and it has...for 8 years).
I cannot believe that anyone could find a single, legitimate ground to criticize President Bush. History will shortly prove that President Bush was not only one of the greatest Presidents ever, but that he was also, unquestioningly, one of the greatest human beings--hell, one of the greatest mammals--ever to live and breath.
Every night, when I read my Bible (King James verison only, please!), snugly warm, wrapped in my US Flag comforter, I tear up and weep that President Bush does not have a book in the Bible dedicated to glorifying his wondrous workings and wise words of neo-conservative wisdom. Oh, surely, perhaps someday, he will. Hopefully! Hopefully!
"He eliminated habeas corpus."
That's a new one on me. Perhaps you have Bush confused with Abraham Lincoln.<
Perhaps you are confused as to what the Latin phrase "habeas corpus" means. It means that to imprison someone, you have to show cause, i.e. "there is a body, therefore someone died."
Gitmo and the other "Black Prisons" in Bulgaria, Turkmenistan, Syria, Egypt, etc., are full of people who are there because they were accused. There were no crimes committed. Someone just pointed a finger at them.
You should be jumping up and down, screaming for these checks & balances to be replaced in the Constitution.
Because tools like these - the ability for a President to declare that a U.S. Citizen has no legal right to be confronted with the evidence for their imprisonment, no right to a trial, no right to a lawyer ... those are powerful tools to leave lying around.
Others can pick them up, when the original user leaves the scene.
Others who might be tracing IP addresses, to see who might be sympathizers with the war crimes committed by the previous regime. "Conspiracy to commit..." has always been one of the more ... shall we say ... flexible rationales in the Federal criminal code.
Do not allow your political allegiances blind you to the implications of what Bush and his crew have done. It could be done to you. To me. To any of us.
We have to fix this, and ensure that nobody ever does this again.
Think hard on this gents (and ladies),
The criminalization of political diferences will ensure that any regime in power will be quite reluctant to relinquish said power.
Although the evidence at hand suggests that wrong-doing may have been committed by those in power, the failure to utilize the extant mechanisms available (impeachment, etc.) weakens the case for post-inagural criminal sanction.
All in all, it is better for all that power continues to transfer without interuption by any reason or excuse (think terror act), than to hold out the possibility that such a transfer not happen because those in power think that their policial enemies are "out to get them" and they concoct some excuse to "delay" such a transfer.
ps - as for absence of crimes committed related to pardons, remember Nixon had not been charged with any offense either, thus providing the requisite precedence.
No matter when the crimes occurred, criminals should be brought to justice for them.
And since when did one criminal pardoning another mean that justice should be ignored.
Bring them to trial! The lot of them!
Keith,
Only an idiot like you would post the rantings of the pscychotic Keith Olberman. Nobody gives a shit about what he thinks, nobody at all! Do you understand English?
"DittoRush said...
I cannot believe that anyone could find a single, legitimate ground to criticize President Bush. History will shortly prove that President Bush was not only one of the greatest Presidents ever, but that he was also, unquestioningly, one of the greatest human beings--hell, one of the greatest mammals--ever to live and breath.
Every night, when I read my Bible (King James verison only, please!), snugly warm, wrapped in my US Flag comforter, I tear up and weep that President Bush does not have a book in the Bible dedicated to glorifying his wondrous workings and wise words of neo-conservative wisdom. Oh, surely, perhaps someday, he will. Hopefully! Hopefully!"
Shut up, you stupid f*ck! You want to discuss all the great things your hero Barney Frank did for the financial industry?
why do you slander the kings name and robin hood with lynch?
"Will the United States investigate and prosecute George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and gang? Should we?"
Ya sure, then investigate Obama Schumer Dodd and Franks for crafting this dilema we are all in now.
The markets today told in all, it was expected. Obama will make Bush look like a genius.
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